Forms & Reports Runtime 6i with XP with 8.1.7 Middleware, Forms install hangs.

Here it goes!
I work at a large corporation and we have random installer problems with Forms Runtime and Reports Runtime. We have an image that includes Oracle 8.1.7 TCP/IP and ODBC middleware installed on XP under an Active Directory environment. Our problem is, and it became wierd as the installs went on through the last few days... We started out by installing Forms Runtime and all the support files that are, by default, included, then exit the installer, then start an install of Reports Runtime, which worked fine, all was good and the software developed for us worked great. Did I mention we're deploying XP machines at 1.6 GHZ P4's? The next thing you know it, We could only install Forms Runtime but not Reports Runtime! The installer raises an error suggesting the orainst.exe failed.
After some quik research that seemed to solve it, we found that the PATH in the XP registry was altered from EXPANDED_REG_SZ to REG_SZ. We would change it back to EXPANDED_REG_SZ, reboot, and then continue on.... Everything seemed to be solved.
BUT THEN TODAY we cannot even do that. We get as far as installing the Forms Runtime and now 99% of the time we cannot install the Reports Runtime without raising the error of ORAINST.EXE.
Once I changed only 1 entry in the registry called NLS_LANG to NA as type REG_SZ and it installed... I cannot repeat the problem, I tried.
Is this a Rights problem? That's basically what I have boiled it down to. We are changing from an NT server environment to Active Directory and might be experiencing problems relating to rights.
All I can say, is this is the strangest thing I've seen in my 20 years in IT! Nothing makes sense. I did find a couple clues such as using 256 color mode, DEFAULT_HOME should be the name, bvut everything was flawless for about 3 days and 25 installs... Things got worse as the days went by. HELP!!!

Apparently this isn't a major concern with Oracle or the user community, as I'm still awaiting a solution to a similar problem, that is, in ability to install Developer and Designer 2000 with 9i already loaded on XP. Good luck.

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