Forte and windows98???

Hi Forte Experts
Can we use forte with windows98, and if so: which versions?
limitations? problems?
The reason for asking such a dumb question is, that we just installed
a brand new 'super-specifications' pc with windows98 and now we have
userwindows that hangs, ftexec'windows that will not appear etc,
and I would like to know, if this is a forte problem, windows98- or
HARDWARE problem. We do not see any of those problems on
windows95 on a more modest pc.
The PC looks nice and has got almost any widget or card you can imagine...
You name it - we got it, it just doesn't work, but it sure looks nice in the sysspec.
Any positive or negative experience with windows98 and forte would be a
great help to track down the problem...
jens chr
KAD/Denmark

Hi all,
Forte on Windows98 does not appear to be a very good combination!
For a Forte 'supported' platform it behaves very poorly.
Unfortunately our installation base 'upgraded' to Win98 not long after
we rolled out our first application and the 'hanging' problems then
started to appear. This was experienced up to a couple of times a day
by some users - although it appears to happen randomly. Ie; one machine
would be fine one day and hang a couple of times the next day - for no
apparent reason.
We have tried everything we could think of (as well as everything that
Forte tech-support could think of) but all without much success. We
have also been running the application on Sun, WinNT and Win95 boxes and
these platforms don't show the same problems. This ruled out any
application specific problems.
The one thing that has provided us with some relief is to 'upgrade' to
the Second Edition of Win98. This has been more stable although we
still do experience the hanging problem - just not as frequently. This
unfortunately is still not providing a very reliable platform as when
the user does experience a 'hang' they usually have to reboot their
system as it has usually frozen all running applications (as well as
Windows).
Unfortunately Win98 Second Edition appears to be a bit flaky other ways
(not necessarily relating to Forte) and often doesn't shutdown properly
at the end of the night.
Anyway, I could go on like this for a while - but I won't.
I think it is sufficient to say that I would NOT recommend anyone moving
to Win98 as a platform to run a Forte application.
If anyone else has had any experiences with Win98 and Forte (both good
and bad) I would love to hear from you. It doesn't look like we'll be
moving from Win98 for a while yet so anything anyone can offer would be
greatly appreciated!
Regards,
Cameron Clark.
Melbourne,
Australia.
jcjj wrote:
>
Hi Forte Experts
Can we use forte with windows98, and if so: which versions?
limitations? problems?
The reason for asking such a dumb question is, that we just installed
a brand new 'super-specifications' pc with windows98 and now we have
userwindows that hangs, ftexec'windows that will not appear etc,
and I would like to know, if this is a forte problem, windows98- or
HARDWARE problem. We do not see any of those problems on
windows95 on a more modest pc.
The PC looks nice and has got almost any widget or card you can imagine...
You name it - we got it, it just doesn't work, but it sure looks nice in the sysspec.
Any positive or negative experience with windows98 and forte would be a
great help to track down the problem...
jens chr
KAD/Denmark
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Re: (forte-users) Forte and CORBA question

Hi,
The discarding the Java variable that references a distributed Forte object
doesn't cause that the distributed object will be reclaimed. In Forte client
you can use ReleaseDistReference() of the current partition (task.part) to
free the remote object. For Java client, you can implement the following
solution:
- define a method ReleaseMyObject() in the SO you are using to get the proxy
to the dist. object. As parameter for it use something that can identify
your object (attribute).
- your SO has an array or hashtable with your distributed objects, every new
object is added to it.
- in the implementation of ReleaseMyObject() find the object to release in
the array and call ReleaseDistReference() for it,
- from the Java client, call the ReleaseMyObject() for the object that is
not more needed.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Mirwald <jomirweb.de>
To: Dave Ortman <dortmanyahoo.com>; 'Forte User Forum'
<forte-userslists.xpedior.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: (forte-users) Forte and CORBA question
Hello Dave,
do you use a copy return or copy parameters in this method ?
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At 11:49 07.03.01 -0800, Dave Ortman wrote:
We're attempting to use a Java client to access a
Forte server. In doing such, we've experienced a
problem which I hoped somebody could shed some light
on.
We've had a Java client calling Forte service objects
and passing Forte objects back and forth as CORBA
structs with no problem. However, we have experienced
some problem obtaining and using remote references to
distributed objects from the Java client.
The problem is memory utilization. Each time I obtain
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the Forte server jumps up quite a bit (around 100k per
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Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance,
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--- "Epari, Madhusudhan" <meparioxhp.com> wrote:
Hi All,
Following error occurs consistently on a router
partition for every call to
the service object but the partition doesn't die or
crash. I tried bumping
up the partition memory too. Any thoughts on why
it's happening?
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Madhu
SYSTEM ERROR: Failed to connect or lost connection
to the
environment manager
at FORTE_NS_ADDRESS = <Unknown>. Check that the
environment
manager is
installed at that location. If it is, then check
to be sure that
there are
enough system resources available to support this
partition.
Class: qqsp_SystemResourceException
Error #: [601, 201]
Detected at: qqdo_NsClient::FindObject at 1
Error Time: Wed Feb 21 09:30:56
Exception occurred (locally) on partition
"CSA_cl0_Part2-router",
(partitionId =
C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c:0x1,
taskId =
[C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c.8]) in
application
"MWRouting_cl1", pid 18937 on node forted1 in
environment
frtedev.
SYSTEM ERROR: Attempt to send from a partition
(C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c:0x1)
that no
longer exists.
Class: qqsp_DistAccessException
Error #: [601, 111]
Detected at: qqdo_PartitionMgr::SendMsg at
1
Error Time: Wed Feb 21 09:30:56
Distributed method called:
qqdo_NsServerProxy.FindObject
(object name
Unnamed) from partition
"CSA_cl0_Part2-router",
(partitionId =
C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c:0x1,
taskId =
[C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c.8]) in
application
"MWRouting_cl1", pid 18937 on node
forted1 in environment
frtedev
Exception occurred (locally) on partition
"CSA_cl0_Part2-router",
(partitionId =
C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c:0x1,
taskId =
[C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c.8])
in
application "MWRouting_cl1", pid 18937 on
node forted1 in
environment
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Forte and Crystal OCX

Using Crystal Reports 6.0 ActiveX control on Win 95 clients or Win 95
development machines I cannot insert the object into the ActiveX widget. In
distributed mode the Control cannot be 'Realized' and in development, the
Win 95 machine hangs up.
Complete description of problem or question:
We have been using the Crystal Reports version 6.0 ActiveX control on NT
4.0 machines for about 1 month with no problems.
When we made our latest distribution to our Win 95 client environment, the
window with the ActiveX control started
generating an error that the object could not be 'realized'. We then
proceeded to install Forte and Crystal on a Win 95
Development machine and found that we are not even able to insert the
control in the ActiveX widget. The Win 95 Development
machine hangs with no error message at all and you have to close down your
Forte session.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Paul Nash
Sun Life of Canada (US)

Just take a look at Tech Note n° 11181 and go to Micro$oft's site :
http://www.microsoft.com/com/dcom95/download-f.htm
You need DCOM for Windows 95 to use OCX's...
(We've had the same problem yesterday and now, it works fine...)
De :
[email protected][SMTP:[email protected]]
Répondre à : [email protected]
Date : jeudi 15 janvier 1998 16:39
A : [email protected]
Objet : Forte and Crystal OCX
Using Crystal Reports 6.0 ActiveX control on Win 95 clients or Win 95
development machines I cannot insert the object into the ActiveX
widget. In distributed mode the Control cannot be 'Realized' and in
development, the Win 95 machine hangs up.
Complete description of problem or question:
We have been using the Crystal Reports version 6.0 ActiveX control on
NT 4.0 machines for about 1 month with no problems.
When we made our latest distribution to our Win 95 client environment,
the window with the ActiveX control started generating an error that
the object could not be 'realized'. We then proceeded to install Forte
and Crystal on a Win 95 Development machine and found that we are not
even able to insert the control in the ActiveX widget. The Win 95
Development machine hangs with no error message at all and you have to
close down your Forte session.
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Thanks,
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Sun Life of Canada (US)

Forte and CORBA question

We're attempting to use a Java client to access a
Forte server. In doing such, we've experienced a
problem which I hoped somebody could shed some light
on.
We've had a Java client calling Forte service objects
and passing Forte objects back and forth as CORBA
structs with no problem. However, we have experienced
some problem obtaining and using remote references to
distributed objects from the Java client.
The problem is memory utilization. Each time I obtain
a reference to a new object, the memory utilization on
the Forte server jumps up quite a bit (around 100k per
object on an NT box). Eventually, if I fetch enough
objects, the server will crash due to lack of memory.
It seems that Forte never reclaims the memory, even
though I'm not using (and don't have a handle to) this
remote objects.
The objects are very small. In fact, I created a test
Forte SO with one method, getObject(); which returns a
distributed object with a single attribute. I then
have a Java client access the getObject() method
repeatedly - discarding the reference to the object
after each iteration. After a short while, the box
will come down.
Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance,
-Dave Ortman
--- "Epari, Madhusudhan" <meparioxhp.com> wrote:
Hi All,
Following error occurs consistently on a router
partition for every call to
the service object but the partition doesn't die or
crash. I tried bumping
up the partition memory too. Any thoughts on why
it's happening?
Thanks in advance,
Madhu
SYSTEM ERROR: Failed to connect or lost connection
to the
environment manager
at FORTE_NS_ADDRESS = <Unknown>. Check that the
environment
manager is
installed at that location. If it is, then check
to be sure that
there are
enough system resources available to support this
partition.
Class: qqsp_SystemResourceException
Error #: [601, 201]
Detected at: qqdo_NsClient::FindObject at 1
Error Time: Wed Feb 21 09:30:56
Exception occurred (locally) on partition
"CSA_cl0_Part2-router",
(partitionId =
C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c:0x1,
taskId =
[C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c.8]) in
application
"MWRouting_cl1", pid 18937 on node forted1 in
environment
frtedev.
SYSTEM ERROR: Attempt to send from a partition
(C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c:0x1)
that no
longer exists.
Class: qqsp_DistAccessException
Error #: [601, 111]
Detected at: qqdo_PartitionMgr::SendMsg at
1
Error Time: Wed Feb 21 09:30:56
Distributed method called:
qqdo_NsServerProxy.FindObject
(object name
Unnamed) from partition
"CSA_cl0_Part2-router",
(partitionId =
C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c:0x1,
taskId =
[C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c.8]) in
application
"MWRouting_cl1", pid 18937 on node
forted1 in environment
frtedev
Exception occurred (locally) on partition
"CSA_cl0_Part2-router",
(partitionId =
C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c:0x1,
taskId =
[C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c.8])
in
application "MWRouting_cl1", pid 18937 on
node forted1 in
environment
frtedev.
LbRouter::FindMembers - CAUGHT EXCEPTION attaching
members from
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We're attempting to use a Java client to access a
Forte server. In doing such, we've experienced a
problem which I hoped somebody could shed some light
on.
We've had a Java client calling Forte service objects
and passing Forte objects back and forth as CORBA
structs with no problem. However, we have experienced
some problem obtaining and using remote references to
distributed objects from the Java client.
The problem is memory utilization. Each time I obtain
a reference to a new object, the memory utilization on
the Forte server jumps up quite a bit (around 100k per
object on an NT box). Eventually, if I fetch enough
objects, the server will crash due to lack of memory.
It seems that Forte never reclaims the memory, even
though I'm not using (and don't have a handle to) this
remote objects.
The objects are very small. In fact, I created a test
Forte SO with one method, getObject(); which returns a
distributed object with a single attribute. I then
have a Java client access the getObject() method
repeatedly - discarding the reference to the object
after each iteration. After a short while, the box
will come down.
Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance,
-Dave Ortman
--- "Epari, Madhusudhan" <meparioxhp.com> wrote:
Hi All,
Following error occurs consistently on a router
partition for every call to
the service object but the partition doesn't die or
crash. I tried bumping
up the partition memory too. Any thoughts on why
it's happening?
Thanks in advance,
Madhu
SYSTEM ERROR: Failed to connect or lost connection
to the
environment manager
at FORTE_NS_ADDRESS = <Unknown>. Check that the
environment
manager is
installed at that location. If it is, then check
to be sure that
there are
enough system resources available to support this
partition.
Class: qqsp_SystemResourceException
Error #: [601, 201]
Detected at: qqdo_NsClient::FindObject at 1
Error Time: Wed Feb 21 09:30:56
Exception occurred (locally) on partition
"CSA_cl0_Part2-router",
(partitionId =
C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c:0x1,
taskId =
[C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c.8]) in
application
"MWRouting_cl1", pid 18937 on node forted1 in
environment
frtedev.
SYSTEM ERROR: Attempt to send from a partition
(C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c:0x1)
that no
longer exists.
Class: qqsp_DistAccessException
Error #: [601, 111]
Detected at: qqdo_PartitionMgr::SendMsg at
1
Error Time: Wed Feb 21 09:30:56
Distributed method called:
qqdo_NsServerProxy.FindObject
(object name
Unnamed) from partition
"CSA_cl0_Part2-router",
(partitionId =
C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c:0x1,
taskId =
[C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c.8]) in
application
"MWRouting_cl1", pid 18937 on node
forted1 in environment
frtedev
Exception occurred (locally) on partition
"CSA_cl0_Part2-router",
(partitionId =
C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c:0x1,
taskId =
[C61609A0-8270-11D3-88A9-F4D005D0AA77:0x10c5c.8])
in
application "MWRouting_cl1", pid 18937 on
node forted1 in
environment
frtedev.
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Forte and disappearing code

Hi,
I have encountered an issue when working with Forte and cvs. If a developer creates a new component, say a JFrame, and add some other components to it and there after check in the result in the cvs (.java, .form and .nbatrs), everything seems to work just fine. Then another developer check out the code and open it in Forte then Forte some times remove components from the file and tell the developer that the file has changed (via an *). (Where not using Fortes own cvs tools). It only happens with files that have an form file.
Beside this, the same issue randomly arise when editing files.
Would be glad if somebody could help me.
Mats

I have noticed the same thing. In my case it's the JMenuBar on a JFrame that gets trashed. The menu is still there, all that changes is
(1) value="menuBar" changes to value="(No menu)" in the <SyntheticProperty name="menuBar" ...> entity in the .form file (menuBar is the name of the menu bar)
(2) the setJMenuBar(menuBar); statement in the .java file goes away
and
(3) the menu bar no longer appears in the form.
It seems to be pretty reproducible.

Forte and Oracle Trace

Hi,
Has anybody out there used Oracle Trace to monitor the performance of Forte
service objects that access data from Rdb databases. We have been trying to
do this and Trace does not seem to see the Forte servers. Could you please
e-mail me your experiences or any info that you may have in this regard.
Sudarshan Ranganathan
Lockheed Martin IMS
(504)454-7600 X186

We have developed a HA system using Forte and Oracle Parallel server on a Sun
cluster. Mail me directly if you want more information.
Regards
David Campbell
Systems Architect
CSC Australia
570 St Kilda Rd, Melbourne 3004
Ph: 61-3-9536-4656 Mobile: 0417-468-414 Fax: 613-9536-4714
Email: [email protected]
[email protected] on 09/24/99 05:57:57 AM
To: [email protected]
cc: (bcc: David Campbell/AUST/CSC)
Subject: (forte-users) Forte and Oracle Parallel Server
I'm interested in learning if anyone knows of any
successes using Forte with Oracle Parallel Server. I
would like to use the two together for a new highly
available system, but am having trouble locating
references sites which use them in a production
environment.
Thanks in advance.
Jonathan
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Forte' and Java IOOP in mission criticalapplications.

Hi,
Has anybody had any experience in the development of Java/IIOP/Forte'
applications in large scale, mission critical, environments?
We've developped a full function prototype application and it looks as if
the Forte' IIOP listener could easily become a bottleneck in the overall
architecture configuration: infact we think it is not possible to configure
it for load balancing and/or failover and that any solution in this field
should be carried out outside Forte'.
Any ideas/comments?
Thanks a lot,
Ernesto Moscatelli
SEMAGROUP Italy
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Hi
I've been playing with a variation of the custom router you describe below to
avoid having my server side partitions being pulled onto my client.
Essentially each of my server side partitions registers themselves with a
router set up to service that particular partition. The "clients" then request
a reference to the server side partition from the custom router. This
reference is then used to invoke the services provided by my server side
partitions.
On the box I am testing (RS 6000) my custom router (performing round robin
routing) is between 90ms and 100ms slower the Forte's own router. However,
since my server side partition can be multi-threaded as soon as there are more
tasks requiring the service than there are partitions I start to see a
performance improvement.
While I was testing this (and a few other things) I noticed that it seemed to
be awfully easy to flood a Forte partition (running Forte threads) with tasks
(around 8 as far as I could tell) to the point where the partition seems to
spend all of its time servicing the threads rather than doing any real work.
Does anyone know at what number of tasks the Forte threading model breaks down?
Or, if there are any ways of controlling the "thread processing time".
Cheers,
Darren
From: Scott Irwin <[email protected]>
To: 'Peter Sham (HTHK - Assistant Manager - Software Development, IITB)'<[email protected]>; [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Forte' and Java IOOP in mission critical applications.
Date: 23 March 1999 13:44
We are implementing a Java Bean which communicates via IIOP to our SO. We
didn't like forte's router so we developed a custom 'Intelligent' router.
The Bean first resolves the CustomerRouterSO. The CustomerRouterSO is set
for only Fail-Over. Our real SO that does all of the work is our
ReplicateSO which is load balanced and registers with the CustomerRouterSO.
The CustomRouterSO does not hold state in case it fails. ReplicateSO know
(based on env) if they are primary or secondary type SO and tell the
CustomRouterSO.
In the CustomRouterSO you can add any type of logic you need to determine
which ReplicateSO you want to assign back from the connect(). In our case,
each ReplicateSO keeps a count of the number of clients assigned, and the
CustomRouterSO asks the ReplicateSO if it can handle another assignment.
We needed this type of behavior because our objects are chockfull of state.
If you need Message type duration then it's another game. We are heading
into Stress Test in a few weeks so we will see if this will fly.
Have Fun!
Scott Irwin
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Sham (HTHK - Assistant Manager - Software Development,
IITB) [SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 4:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Forte' and Java IOOP in mission critical
applications.
Hi,
I'm not expert on this field, but if the configuration is like this,
should
this load-balance/failover responsibility be on the shoulder of the
COBRA
ORB, instead on Forte?
Peter Sham.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 4:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Forte' and Java IOOP in mission critical
applications.
Hi,
Has anybody had any experience in the development of
Java/IIOP/Forte'
applications in large scale, mission critical, environments?
We've developped a full function prototype application and
it looks
as if
the Forte' IIOP listener could easily become a bottleneck in
the
overall
architecture configuration: infact we think it is not
possible to
configure
it for load balancing and/or failover and that any solution
in this
field
should be carried out outside Forte'.
Any ideas/comments?
Thanks a lot,
Ernesto Moscatelli
SEMAGROUP Italy
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FORTE and PVCS

Has anyone any experience of integrating Forte with an external
Configuration Management environment (especially Intersolv's PVCS)
and if so, did you have any issues in doing so?

Whatever the tool (SCCS, CVS, RCS, PVCS, etc.), the source code control
mechanisms must be unobtrusive when version control is applied at the class
level. The tool must not interrupt the development effort lest it be
bypassed and abandoned. This would happen very quickly, for example, in a
schedule-sensitive environment in which each developer must manually
export/import Forte classes and check in/out of the version control tool.
Dustin Breese seems to describe a tool which does not get in the way, and
I'm sure the major CM vendors will become more Forte-friendly as the Forte
repository mechanisms become more open.
I'd like to add another wrinkle: Distributed Repositories...
All of the traffic on this topic seems to assume that source code control
occurs at a single site. Has anyone tackled source code control in
multiple sites sharing the same logical repository? I say "logical"
because all sites would share the same code base, while developers at each
site code against a local repository to ensure maximum repository
performance. What tools are available to overcome the challenges
introduced by a distributed repository approach?
Bruce Anderson
Technical Architect
MCI Systemhouse
Delta Group - Forte First Strike Team
[email protected]
From: [email protected][SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 9:40 AM
To: [email protected]
We at BSG have also developed a source code version control product. It
provides source code version control down to the class level. It can be
quickly and easily modified to run with virtually any source code control
product (SCCS, PVCS, etc.). If you are interested in obtaining more
information on this or any of our other products (Framework, Browser,
Documenter, etc.) then please contact Dan Reid at [email protected].
Take care!
Dustin Breese
BSG Alliance/IT
From: "Russell Engelhardt" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:57:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Forte and PVCS
I would take serious issue with the statement that Forte does not work
with the version control products on the market today. We have built
a product we call Forte Bridge that works greate with PVCS. We have
automated version control at the project and repository level. You just
ask Forte for the internal hooks to the repository events, and build from
there.
The product supports creating a build, an application ready for
distribution/deployment, with all appropriate versions of a given
applications
projects.
This tool took about 2 months to build with only 2 resources, it
is implemented, fully integrated into our development process, and works
great. We have full version control as low as the project level accross
multiple repositories, and across multiple environments (development,
multiple
tests, and production).
Thanks,
Russ Engelhardt
USAA E-Mail: [email protected]
*** The opinions expressed herein are solely the author's
and are not necessarily the opinions of USAA.
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Forte and PVCS
Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 3:51 PM
Our staff has researched this item recently.
1. Forte does not work with the version control products on the
market
today. This is why the forte company
put into the environment a systems admin. function. We spoke to Forte
about this and we think the best you could get would be to have the end
result app. (ie .EXE of whatever) be managed by a version control
product. But the day to day source dev could not.
2. Rational software is a strategic business partner of Forte.
Rational makes a product called CLearCase which is a very good change
management product. I spoke to Rational about whether or not they had
plans to provide + support for the Forte environment under the
ClearCase product. The answer was a resounding no!.
I expect that in the next couple of years, as more and more product &
environments may exist under the CORBRA defined architecture, vendors
may develop more tools to support these environments and "catch up".
From: [email protected]
To: 'ForteUsers'
Subject: Forte and PVCS
Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 4:04AM
Has anyone experiences with using Forte and a source code control
system? We
want to implement PVCS with Forte.
Any hint would be great. Thanks in advance.
Silke Schulte
Union Investment, Frankfurt / Main, Germany

Re: Forte and X Windows

Adrian,
I usually develop my application on my pc, but I deploy them on a
central server alpha and on a server SUN Solaris too: both using Motif.
I had no problems but take care to use grid field facilities (see "A
guide to Forte workshops" page 197 ...) if you want to have windows
with same geometry on both systems (windows and X windows), unless
you'll have different windows on different systems.
Hope this helps you
Alberto
Alberto Lagna
Advanced SW Architectures & Methodologies
CSELT - Telecommunication Research Center in Torino
Via Borgaro, 21 Torino - ITALIA
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How about changing the time-out parameters in Oracle. So if your
application hangs and reaches time-out, Forte may generate an exception
which you need... Just a thought.
Tien Wang
Indus Consultancy Services
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-forte-users [SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 10:16 AM
To: Forte-Users
Subject: RE: Forte and Oracle DDL-Lock
Thanks Amin Kamran,
for the try to help me. The problem is that: ' I get no Exception !!!'.
The application hangs and wait. You can try this also with two SQL-PLUS
Sessions. When one Session not commit the other session hangs.
My Application use at this point also the 'ALTER SESSION SET
ISOLATION_LEVEL SERIALIZABLE' to got an exception when Data which is
current selected is updated by others. EXPRESS handles this in the same
kind. Also EXPRESS hangs if I do the same thing.
The problem is the ORACLE-DATABASE.
The Database must send the error to the application (SQL-Plus or Forte
is=
not necessary).. =
Joseph Mirwald
EMAIL: [email protected]
Amin Kamran wrote:
Joseph,
You need to catch the DBDeadlockException in you application and
handle
this potential exception.

RE: Forte and DEC ORB

We have developed a number of applications using ObjectBroker both
to callout from Forte and callin to Forte from 'C', Visual Basic etc.
We have done 'C' clients to Forte servers and vice versa and
Visual Basic clients to Forte servers too.
I did not quite understand what was meant by -
It seems that we should use Forte by itself or Object Broker(C or C++)
by itself. Please give me a call/e-mail if you have specific questions and we can discuss
in more detail.
- Arvind.
Arvind Kumar Krishnaswamy
Digital/Forte Software Products Group
Digital Equipment Corporation
1800,Harrison Street,Suite 1700,
Oakland.CA 94612
Tel : 510-251-6537
Fax : 510-251-6531

We have developed a number of applications using ObjectBroker both
to callout from Forte and callin to Forte from 'C', Visual Basic etc.
We have done 'C' clients to Forte servers and vice versa and
Visual Basic clients to Forte servers too.
I did not quite understand what was meant by -
It seems that we should use Forte by itself or Object Broker(C or C++)
by itself. Please give me a call/e-mail if you have specific questions and we can discuss
in more detail.
- Arvind.
Arvind Kumar Krishnaswamy
Digital/Forte Software Products Group
Digital Equipment Corporation
1800,Harrison Street,Suite 1700,
Oakland.CA 94612
Tel : 510-251-6537
Fax : 510-251-6531

Integration between Forte and Tuxedo

Hi all,
I have some specific questions regarding Forte and Tuxedo integration :
- Can I code Tuxedo services using TOOL insted of C/C++?
- Would this services be available to other aplications coded in VB or
PB?
- Who is in charge of the transaction Forte or Tuxedo?
- If Tuxedo is the transaction mgr, can I include forte transactional
objects to these transactions.?
Any other comments about tuxedo and forte will be apreciated as well.
Thanks in Advance
Israel Romero
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Forte and PowerBuilder

Has anyone had experience in integrating PowerBuilder Applications into a
Forte environment?
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Peggy,
1) Do you have experience with PowerBuilder and Forte' applications running at
the same time on the same (laptop) computer? Here I'm thinking
about any potential resource constraints? Memory Requirements?As log as you are using Win95 or NT you should not be concerned about WIN-resources. Memory depends more on what your 2 tier PB application requires than what your Forté would require.
Cheers,
Troels
Lindhard Forté Solutions
-----Original Message-----
From: Peggy Lynn Adrian [SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 10:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Forte and Powerbuilder Experience Needed
I sent this query to Forte support but maybe someone out there can help me
with practical experience
with the following?
---------------------- Forwarded by Peggy Lynn Adrian/AM/LLY on 01/15/98 04:30
PM ---------------------------
Peggy Lynn Adrian
01/14/98 03:55 PM
To: [email protected]
cc: Peggy Lynn Adrian/AM/LLY@Lilly
Subject: Forte and Powerbuilder Experience Needed
1) Do you have experience with PowerBuilder and Forte' applications running at
the same time on the same (laptop) computer? Here I'm thinking
about any potential resource constraints? Memory Requirements?
2) Can PowerBuilder and Forte' applications call and interact with one
another?
The Forte' application will need to interact with the PowerBuilder application
to pull out information maintained by the PB application.

Forte and the Web

I was wondering if anyone has developed Forte applications on the web using
JAVA rather than the HTML based WebSDK stuff? If anyone has any information
about using JAVA with Forte, I would appreciate it greatly. Thanks.

I will be presenting at the Forum on a first stab at integrating Java/IIOP
with Forte frameworks on 5/13 at 4:15pm (if you're going to be there.) Forte
will also be presenting on general IIOP/Forte interaction in a separate
presentation (I'm not sure when their presentation is.)
-DFR
Bryan Gentile <[email protected]> on 05/05/97 10:35:43 AM
To: forte-users <[email protected]> @ INTERNET
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I was wondering if anyone has developed Forte applications on the web using
JAVA rather than the HTML based WebSDK stuff? If anyone has any information
about using JAVA with Forte, I would appreciate it greatly. Thanks.
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