FR: JPEG 2000 Preview Format

I'd like to get PNG Image Sequence added as a preview option for all sequences. There are several benefits to using PNG for this purpose. They're lossless, so the previews can be used for export without any degradation. They're significantly smaller than other lossless options like TIFF or DPX. They can can contain alpha channel for transparencies. They can be up to 16 bit depth. And perhaps one of the largest benefits is that as an image sequence, preview rendering can be interrupted and resume where it left off. This is not possible with normal video files. If you stop a render, you have to start over. Not so with an Image Sequence.
Combine JPG2000 previews with the new Background Rendering feature suggested below, and I think PP becomes a much better NLE.
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1369235?tstart=0
Opinions?
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JPEG 2000 Previews
I would love to have the JPEG 2000 format available as an option for previews in all sequence presets.
Why is this feature important to you?
The ideal preview format should offer:
1. No resolution or frame rate limitations.
2. Sufficient quality to be used for export.
3. Can compete with UT or DNxHD for speed.
4. Doesn't take inordinate room on the hard drive.
5. Can be resumed if render is interrupted/Only changed frames need rerendering.
JPEG 2000 is probably the ONLY option that offers all these features.

Boy, you ain't kidding.
My one minute test created UT, DNxHD and AVC-I files in less than a minute. The MPEG I-Frame took less than 30 seconds. The PNG files took over 14 minutes! This format is not nearly as practical as I imagined it would be.
Further, the PNG files actually took up more room than the UT, DNxHD and AVC-I files, though far less than TIFF and DPX, which are wholly too large to be practical.
That still leaves us with something of an issue to be resolved, though.
What preview format can offer these features (with this order of priority).
1. No resolution or frame rate limitations
2. Sufficient quality to be used for export
3. Can compete with UT or DNxHD for speed?
4. Doesn't take inordinate room on the hard drive
5. Can be resumed if render is interrupted/Only changed frames need rerendering
PNG fails big time at 3.
DPX and TIFF fail at 3 and 4.
UT fails at 5 and sometimes 2 (being 8 bit).
Uncompressed fails at 4, 5 and sometimes 2 (being 8 bit).
MPEG fails at 1, 2 and 5.
DNxHD and AVC-I fail at 1 and 5.
V-210 fails at 5.
What's left?

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Convert PDF to JPG
          © 2011 Frank Caggiano
          GNU Public License
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Extras
The installation disc contains a variety of extras to help you make the most of your Adobe software. Some extras are installed on your computer during the setup process; others are located on the disc.
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