Frame blending and Film look

Hi everyone,
I'm editing a moutain bike video shot with a sony HDR FX1 in HD and imported as SD.
Editing is finished and if I preview the video on my computer screen its just fine, but if viewed on a TV it has of course that artificial digital look far away from film. now, I noticed that the portions of clips that have been slowed down to 50% and used "frame blending" do look a lot better... by better I mean, they loose a bit of that digital "sharpness". I also played with gamma and colors but I think that the "frame blending" adds a sort of "softness.
I was wondering: if I duplicate my sequence, overlap the original with it's duplicate and play abit with blur (or else?) and make it let's say 30% transparent... would that help?
any suggestions?
I've seen a skiing video presented on QT website shot in HD and compressed H264... and it has that perfect film look.
Would love to know your thoughts.
Thanks
Ciao

Ok,
this is the procedure I courageously undertook:
1. duplicate of my sequence
2. added to the new sequence a level 4 blurr
3. played with color and gamma levels
4. overlapped the two sequences
5. adgusted transparency of the copy sequence according to the different portions of clips... some may result too dark. Transparency goes from 50 to 75%
Result: clearly a less digital look - closer to film -smooth
Downsides: loss of luminosity - everytime I change transparency it takes about 5 hours to render and if it doesn't look how you want it, you have to add another 5 hours.
Raises a problem: on TV it has a look and on a computer screen it has another. Consequently you have to create two separate files according to where you want to play it!
I'm sure there is a better way to do it.

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