Frame Controls

Anyone know how to bypass Resizing but keep Retiming active?
I have a MOV at 18fps - I need it at 25fps. I can export as a DV stream from QT, the duration remains correct and the result is 25fps, rather than a QT export at 25fps which then just speeds up the material. So the DV stream works but I would like to compare with OFT in Compressor.
So now to compressor frame controls; when the RESIZING controls are set to best (cos there is no off option) the encode takes forever (about 1min for every 1sec) when the RESIZING is set to fast the encode is much faster suggesting Compressor IS doing something there even though I am not resizing (source and destination are 720x576 DV) nor am I deinterlacing
Tis Weird.

I guess I would make my pal programme progressive there, if for instance it is going to be viewed on a computer screen.
not necesseraly...it may depend on several factors i.e. format, fast action displayed etc. And you should do a quick test with both options (progressive and interlaced) so that you can see.
I'm suggesting this because I think that testing is an essential part of the learning process and generally of the work.
Best,
G.

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Quicktime frame controls do not function in Lion, window unresponsive

This appears to be a trending topic on the support fora, but the solutions I've seen offered don't help.
In brief: QuickTime on Lion loads and appears to play videos for me, but I can't access any of its frame controls. I can't resize the window, I can't minimize or maximize it, I can't close it, and I can't drag it. Attempting to click any of the associated controls simply brings the Finder to the foreground. Quicktime will then not respond to any further mouse clicks untill I click its icon in the Dock and force it into the foregroud.
It's as though the QuickTime window is invisible to mouse clicks - with the exception of the play, pause, ff/rew control bar.
Looking over other discussions, I uninstalled both Perian and Flip4Mac. I don't have the BetterTouch program. This did not change the behavior.
I am disintersted in booting to safe mode or under a new user account every time I want to play a video, so do not suggest that, please and thank you. I'd prefer other than canned, page-1-of-the-script style replies. I realize that sounds abrupt, but such entry-level suggestions do not constitute useful or meaningful solutions, and those who offer them should be made aware of that.

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Solved the problem.
What I did, actually, was download the Lion beta version of OnyX from http://www.titanium.free.fr - under 'Parameters', in the 'QuickTime' section, there's a button you can click to restore defaults. Did that, and sure enough the window corners went wounded again - and I could grab all my frames as before.
Thanks for the pointer. Very nicely done.

Frame Controls Settings

Hi,
I've made a FCP document captured in Sony HD1080i60. It's 22 min. in color.
Next I try to export this document using compressor.
My setting is at DVD Best Quality 90 min NTSC 29.97.
My QUESTION: Frame Controls.
Apparently, if Frame Controls, Resizing Filter and the Deinterlace is all chosen at 'Best', it will take 504 hours (according to the compressor).
If my objective is to have this played on anyone's home DVD player, is there much of a difference in quality? If anyone has any recommendation for my setting, please.
Thank you all in advance.
M

Mugiho
You can find the answer by yourself and tell us later: select just a very short section/s of your movie (15/20 secs) and encode it using different settings. Select some "potentially problematic" parts, like with fast movements, etc.
No matter how low could be the encoding, it will take a short time and you can compare the final quality.
Hope that helps !
Alberto

Frame controls in Compressor 3

Well, I recently tried a test video (interlaced 4:3 DV) that I've used extensively to check Compressor 2. I used Compressor 3 on it to see if the Frame Controls could actually encode within a decent amount of time. I used the medium deinterlacing setting. It went faster than Compressor 2...but the output was far worse! In Compressor 2, it took longer, but it was excellent quality deinterlacing. Compressor 3 was terrible. Some motion was blurry/doubled, and there were chunks where no deinterlacing had been performed at all, as in I could still see the combing! What's going on here, Apple? Using the best setting in frame controls is useless unless you have a friggin' cluster or you have time to wait to collect social security, but at least medium still looked good, even if it took a long time. Now best still takes forever, but medium looks awful. I'm tempted to downgrade back to Compressor 2 after this.

Running Compressor 3.0.3 - In the Inspector window, click the third tab to get to "frame controls." Click the gear and use the drop down menu to turn the frame controls "on." It sounds like you did this, but I'm just making sure we're on the same page.
There is no "custom," I promise. Just turning frame controls on allows you to customize the settings and set the options you mentioned. To be literal, the settings mentioned are
Output Fields: Bottom First
Deinterlace: Better (motion adaptive)

My video is progressive natively, frame controls?

I have some footage shot at 1080p30 and 720p24. I am certain they are progressive, based on the field dominance FCP chooses is "none." My question is after I edit and export to compressor do I need to turn on frame controls at all? I use to always shoot at 1080 60i and had to deinterlace and change output fields to progressive and deinterlace was either better or best. Since my video is now natively progressive, can I ignore frame controls? Some video will end up on the web, some will end up on DVDs and AVCHD discs. Any difference between web and dvd media for frame controls with progressive video?

abeas wrote:
My question is after I edit and export to compressor do I need to turn on frame controls at all?
Yeah, you probably don't need to worry about Deinterlacing with Frame Controls but, depending on your output frame size(s), you might need it for Resizing.
I find that if you're not dividing by a multiple of 2 (i.e. going from 1920x1080 to something other than 960x540 or 480x270), resizing with Frame Controls makes a difference. Well, except for this odd glitch in Compressor 3.5.
Or was that (needing Frame Controls for resizing) a given?

Compressor 3 + 8Core Mac Pro + Frame controls = Do your encoding overnight?

So as many others have mentioned here mysteriously a g5 can often times outperform an 8 core intel mac on certain compression jobs. I have figured out something which some of you may want to confirm but it appears very interesting to me the culprit appears to be frame controls.
Heres how came to this conclusion:
Took a DP G5 Power Mac and a 8core Mac Pro, put the same source movie on both machines and ran a standard apple setting on them (h.264 800K for download), results Mac Pro is about 5x faster then the Power Mac. Next step turn frame controls on (no adjustments just turn them on). Thats it, now the Power Mac is about 2x faster then the Mac Pro so what i make of this?
Sounds like apple needs to come out with a software update.

so have some more information for any of you who are interested. the real culprit seems to be the adaptive details enabling this option makes my encodings on the macpro go approximately 20x slower. For comparison the power mac only slows down by a factor of 3 (for reference the macpro is a 2x4x3 Ghz w/ 9G Ram, the G5 is a 2x2.7 Ghz w/ 2.5 G Ram).
Some strange facts:
Negating the effects of the adaptive details option, even though the mac pro should theoretically be at least 4.4 times as fast for encoding processes, the fastest i have been able to achieve in compressor without the use of virtual clustering is 3.5 times as fast, the slowest was a mere 20 percent faster. with virtual clustering and segmenting on the range i have for compressor performance is 94 percent G5 speed on the slow end and 6x on the fast end.

Benefits of Deinterlaced vs Progressive Frame Controls

I have two questions:
1) While I understand the difference between interlaced and progressive, how do the results differ between the Deinterlace and Progressive Frame Controls?
2) When should I use one or the other or both?
macbook Pro 15" Mac OS X (10.4.6) Compressor 2.3
macbook Pro 15" Mac OS X (10.4.6) Compressor 2.3

If you're going to SD DVD, let Compressor's DVD preset work at is (make it a droplet).
For going to the web, no need. Try this:
http://slfcpug.ning.com/video/1975320:Video:4903
No need to make HD video SD to put on the web. Going directly to H.264 will keep the HD quality much, much better. If it's interlaced, going to web should be set to Progressive, Best, as you have it, but don't make it NTSC or anything first.

Compressor 3.5 - Frame Controls Different!

Anyone else that has used frame controls on their presets notice that the new version is much different?
I am compressing HD source to MPEG2 for SD-DVD. I have always used FRAME CONTROLS in my presets because of the beautiful quality that I was able to get.
Now, all that quality is gone and I can seem to get the same look as before.
Anyone have any ideas?

Brian Gary wrote:
Were you encoding into DV NTSC and/or did you try ProRes and the output media. Just wondering if there's a difference in a less compressed codec.
In the screenshots above, yes, I was only encoding to/from DV NTSC.
But I did get a chance to experiment with some ProRes stuff just now.
Original file (640x360, 30 fps with Lower Field First; Field Rendering enabled) exported out of Motion 4 as ProRes4444.
The file was dropped into Compressor and flagged as Bottom-Field First.
Converted to ProRes 422 HQ (Interlaced) using the Compressor 3.5 preset (No Frame Controls engaged)
Converted to ProRes 422 HQ (Progressive) using the Compressor 3.5 preset (Frame Controls engaged - adjusted for Progressive output, Deinterlace to Better)
Converted to ProRes 422 HQ Interlaced using the Compressor 3.5 preset but resized to 480x270 without Frame Controls
Converted to ProRes 422 HQ Interlaced using the Compressor 3.5 preset but resized to 480x270 with Frame Controls (Only switched them On - adjusted no other settings)
Converted to ProRes 422 HQ Interlaced using the Compressor 3.5 preset but resized to 480x270 with Frame Controls (Set Deinterlace to Better instead of the default Fast)
Edited to add: I suspect the issue is tied to progressive material as anytime I go interlaced-to-interlaced (but resizing with Frame Controls) Compressor 3.5 doesn't do a bad job. But progressive-to-progressive (or interlaced-to-progressive) spells disaster with Frame Controls. <sigh>

Compressing with Frame Controls

When I use Compressor to make an Apple TV compatible file, with the Frame Controls turned on, the movie will not play on the Apple TV. It plays in Quick Time, and iTunes, but Apple TV indicates the format is not compatible with this device. Has anyone else had this issue?

Name: H.264 for Apple TV
Video Encoder
Format: QT
Width and Height: Automatic
Selected: 640 x 480
Pixel aspect ratio: Square
Crop: None
Padding: None
Frame rate: (100% of source)
Selected: 29.97
Frame Controls On:
Retiming: (Fast) Nearest Frame
Resize Filter: Linear Filter
Deinterlace Filter: Better (Motion Adaptive)
Adaptive Details: Off
Antialias: 0
Detail Level: 0
Field Output: Progressive
Codec Type: H.264
Multi-pass: Off, frame reorder: On
Pixel depth: 24
Spatial quality: 50
Min. Spatial quality: 50
Key frame interval: 150
Temporal quality: 50
Min. temporal quality: 50
Average data rate: 3 (Mbps)
Maximum data rate: 14 (Mbps)

***AUTOMATIC FRAME CONTROLS

If you use a preset in Compressor, the frame controls are automatic for the most part.
Quick Question:
Should you manually turn off frame controls when working with progressive footage?
The reason I ask is because I already noticed in the quality of the footage and by running various tests that when you use one of the DVD presets for progressive video, the field dominance doesn't correctly change to progressive when you have it set on automatic, and I just don't want the automatic frame controls to do any automatic deinterlacing if it doesn't recognize the progressive attributes.
Thoughts?
Thank you.

I would set it manually or turn it off. If you want a progressive output, remember that you might also need to set the field order to Progressive under the Encoder tab under *Video Format* on your MPEG-2 (m2v) setting.
If you do not deinterlace with Compressor, a DVD-player or LCD-TV will do it anyway in real-time, which most likely will look pretty bad. Also be aware that the Apple DVD Player application does automatic de-interlacing.
As Apple writes in the Compressor User Manual:
*Automatic button:* When this button is selected, Compressor analyzes the transcoding job (the source media file and the applied setting), and then automatically determines the appropriate Frame Controls attributes. For more information, see About the Automatic Settings.
In Automatic mode, Frame Controls technology is engaged in the following two types of transcodes only:
• Transcoding from high definition (HD) sources to standard definition (SD) MPEG-2 output files
• Transcoding from interlaced sources to H.264 for DVD Studio Pro and H.264 for Apple Devices (progressive) output files
Automatic mode when encoding to SD MPEG-2 does not necessarily de-interlace. You can open your .m2v-file in e.g. MPEG Streamclip and hit "cmd+i" to view info about the file. There you can double check if your finished file is interlaced or not and what field order it is set to.
You can learn more about *Frame Controls* by reading this excerpt from Apple Pro Training Series: Compressor 3.5 Quick Reference Guide, by Brian Gary.
A really helpful tip, is to set an in- and out-point in your Preview window in Compressor to see test results quicker. Testing different settings on long clips is both unnecessary and boring. Select about 10 to 30-seconds from an area in your clip that shows variety in your video (both fast moving and normal scenes).
Video compression, especially for web and DVD, is all about testing to find the optimal settings for best possible quality/filesize ratio. Almost every video source is unique, and should be looked at and tested with different settings depending on both source quality and content.
Hope this helps

Frame Controls-Best for All ?

Hi there,
Will you select "BEST" for all to get a better quality for your Final Master Clip?
BTW, it takes very long for the conversion...will you recommend it?
Thanks

Better is ok for all around uses...
BEST is if your deinterlacing, and you still get deinterlacing artifacts when using BETTER setting. It is best to take a small section (30 seconds) of the video were interlacing shows on the computer screen and do a test between the BETTER and BEST setting.
The BEST setting can add a considerable amount of processing time. A 20 minute video can take the weekend to process depending on the computer you use.
The FAST setting is (IMO) useless and MPEG-Streamclip is the better tool if you want fast processing.
http://www.squared5.com/
And it's free!
When using the frame control it is always a good idea to do a small test before committing to what setting your going to use.
From page 258 of the User Manual:
Fast (Line averaging): This option averages adjacent lines in a frame.
Better (Motion adaptive): This option offers good-quality deinterlacing for areas of
the image that are in motion.
Best (Motion compensated): This option offers higher-quality deinterlacing for areas
of the image that are in motion.
Warning: Using all Best settings may result in unexpectedly long processing times. If
you are reducing the frame size in addition to deinterlacing the frame, Fast or Better will
likely provide sufficiently high quality, depending on the amount of downward resizing.

Frame Controls keeps turning OFF

Using Compressor 2.3 on PPC/G5 and Intel Mac both with OS 10.4.9.
Frame Controls turns off when applying preset to clip. Whether Custom preset or Apple preset the same thing happens. Presets have Frame Controls set to Automatic.
Again this is on 2 computers so it would be odd if it were preferences. I tossed preferences just in case and that didn't help.
I can see it go from Frame Controls go from Automatic to OFF as I go from Inspector to Batch window. YES the setting applied has/had Frame Controls on Automatic.
Anybody else experience this and/or have a solution?

I noticed the change in Compressor 3 (which I now have).
In my case I was trying to convert HD to H.264 and although the preset was set to "automatic" it apparently would turn off and NOT deinterlace whereas when I went from SD to H.264 it did deinterlace. That's what raised the concern.
Not quite what you describe in your 1 and 2 because I wasn't going to any from of DVD (MPEG2) but going from HD apparently required one to set it On in Compressor 2.3. I'll test this out in Compressor 3 but I think getting rid of "automatic" may avoid that confusion.

Anti-Alias Frame Control Crashes Compressor

I don't know if people are still having this problem, but the Anti-Alias control in the Frame Controls tab causes any render I make to crash consistently. I've done pretty much everything I can to try to fix this but it still persists. Removing the entire Final Cut Suite 3 contents and re-installing has no effect either. I really would like to be able to use this control, so if there's anyone out there with an answer I would definitely appreciate it!

I have the same problem, and haven't found a solution other than downgrading to compressor 3.5.0... that makes it stop crashing but the end result looks like the anti-alias wasn't applied... so no solution...

Frame Controls won't de-interlace

Using Compressor software,I am familiar with the filter settings and their effects, by adjusting in the Inspector panel and in the past I have used the de-interlace checkbox to de-interlace.
However in the interests of getting a better result, I have been experimenting using the more sophisticated deinterlacing which can be accessed through the Frame Controls tab.
My SD source material is derived from DV Pal. I have switched to 'custom' and yet no matter what I adjust on this panel, it makes no difference to either the preview window or the final compressed file. It seems that these settings do not interlace at all!
Can anybody point out what I may have overlooked?
Richard

One issue is that Compressor's preview window will not show the effects of the Frame Control settings. Preview only works for the filters and geometry settings (movie dimension).
I've tried Apple's new Frame Control deinterlace methods and while the highest quality setting can produce some interesting results I think I still prefer the look of the blur deinterlace filter on some subjects. The Frame Controls will produce sharper results but they can also run very slowly and the lower quality settings can introduce their own forms of artifacts.
However, you should be seeing a change in the results when you enable the Frame Controls. One question, is your source movie recognized as being in an interlaced format? If Compressor thinks your movie is progressive then I don't think the Frame Controls will try to deinterlace the video. Try setting the encoder Video Format:Field Dominance: to Bottom First.<small><hr width="75%"><small>If this suggestion helps in any way, a confirmation or acknowledgment would be appreciated, since that would also help others who may be having the same difficulty. Do for others as you would have them help you.<center>Thanks for sharing, Waymen.</center></small>

PAL to NTSC frame control info needed

I need to convert a 25 fps PAL feature film to NTSC but there doesn't appear to be a frame control setting which will slow the film down by 4%.
What is needed is a 25 @ 23.98 with pulldown setting - is there a reason there isn't a setting for this?
Does anybody know of a workaround?
Message was edited by: Marc Morris

MacWorld published an article a while back describing how to use Compressor as a standards converter.
http://www.macworld.com/article/49306/2006/02/marchcreate.html

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