Frame Rate Conform - Help!

I'm quite new to Final Cut Pro X.
I have a movie clip that with a duration of 01:39:31. According to Quicktime, the frame rate is 25.
When I import the clip to Final Cut, the software recognises the frame rate as 25, but it automatically activates the "Rate Conform", saying "25 converted to 23.98". I can't uncheck this option as it's greyed out. However, when I imported the clip, I set the frame rate to 25, and when I open the project properties, the frame rate is set to 25 too.
Now the whole clip is 01:43:44 and I can't work with it.
Any ideas?
Is this a bug or a "feature"?

Double check your project setting or create a new one if neccessary. I re-created your issue by importing a 25fps clip into a 23.98fps project. Once it's in the project it can't be changed, hence it's greyed out.

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