FrameMaker 5.5, imported graphics couldn´t be saved after editing
Hey togehther,
i have a problem with FrameMaker 5.5 on a Windows XP Workstation with Spervice Pack 2:
In case of editing an imported graphic in a FrameMaker documnet (e.g. an AutoCAD drawing) and saving the document after editing the drawing, FrameMaker crashes/freezes.
After reopening the document the drawing/graphic is not changed.
What cause can be present here?
Hi Okeller,
You may have placed an OLE link into the FM document by just copying and then pasting into FM. Hence Your double click can open the original application to edit the graphic. Avoid OLE like hell!
But you hear MMH: FM 5.5 is now 12 years old and XP is 5 years younger ...
Try the following:
- Double click on your graphic to open the app in which you edit it
- In this application create a graphic from the file, something that FM can handle: eps with preview or as the last a pixel image (tiff) and save this to the project directory
- in FM remove the graphic from the anchored frame and import the new graphic file by reference (not copy) and adapt size etc.
HTH
Klaus Daube
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