Framemaker+SGML vs InDesign

I have been informed by a colleague that InDesign possesses structured authoring tools to generate XML. My organization is presently using Framemaker+SGML authoring to generate structured markup language. We have some very mature templates that utilize edds and dlls (generated from the FDK), to verify and validate tagged information at a somewhat intricate level. My question is can InDesign do what Framemaker does, as far as structured authoring. Can it tag information any easier or faster. This question comes from a disgruntled user who's responsibility it is to generate the markup. I have no previous exposure to InDesign.

Based on your description, stay far, far away from inDesign -- your developer knows not what he's asking for. InDesign is great for many things (graphics, single-documents, catalogs). Not so for tagged, multi-channel technical documentation.
Here's a comparison wirtten up by Adobe. It compares Cs3, but it's still pretty spot on for Cs4.
http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/framemaker/comparison.html

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Konvertieren von *.fm in *.sgm mit Adobe Framemaker+SGML 6.0

Hallo!
Beim Konvertierung von *.fm Dateien in *.sgm wird man bei Adobe Framemaker+SGML 6.0 immer gefragt, ob man auch in xml konvertieren möchte. Man muss für jede einzelne Datei ja bzw nein anklicken. Hat jemand eine Idee, ob man das irgendwo ausstellen kann, dass er jedesmal fragt, ob man auch in XML konvertieren will, da ich nie von fm->xml konvertieren möchte.
Hoffe ihr könnt mir weiterhelfen - es ist nämlich sehr zeitaufwendig, wenn man zB 200Dateien konvertiert und dann 200mal Nein klicken muss.
Gruß
Ksweb

I was hoping this wouldn't open another can of worms. I am indeed using the beta application pack for FM 7.2.
The strangest thing is that I've just tried it again and the sgm file saved successfully as a fm9 file and came back into framemaker with the formatting entact. I tried this several times earlier and it bombed FM completely. It might be because I didn't have any images this time. There are XSLT warnings when opening the sgm file though.
This is all moot if the SGML will be invalid.
To answer your question, I am trying to output to SGML by starting a new document using the S1000D2.21descript structured application. I then "Save As", choosing an sgm extension from the "Save as Type" dropdown. I can then open this file, special paste text from Word and save. Later, I open the .sgm file, save as a .fm file and format it.
What are the options if I can't use the beta application?
Thanks for your response. Let me know if you need any more details.

SGML in InDesign

Hi,
Can anyone suggest me whether the SGML is supported in the InDesign (CS4 or CS5).
Thanks,
Gopal

InDesign absolutely does not support SGML.
The only Adobe product that provides SGML support is FrameMaker.
- Dov

FrameMaker+SGML Unix/NT

Guten Tag Miteinander,
ich freue mich auf den "hoffentlich für alle Seiten nutzbaren" Info. Austausch.
Hier eines meiner dringlichsten Probleme:
Ist jemandem die FM Fehlermeldung:
makersgml: Unexpected purge 0400
bekannt und woher diese kommt bzw. was diese Meldung verursacht.
Bei uns tritt Sie sowohl unter Unix als auch unter NT auf wenn wir in eine FM Datei ein Template importieren und danach diese Datei speichern.
Oft, jedoch nicht reproduzierbar crashed dann der FM+SGML.
Ich wäre für jeden Tip Dankbar.
mfg.
Thomas Beck

Based on your description, stay far, far away from inDesign -- your developer knows not what he's asking for. InDesign is great for many things (graphics, single-documents, catalogs). Not so for tagged, multi-channel technical documentation.
Here's a comparison wirtten up by Adobe. It compares Cs3, but it's still pretty spot on for Cs4.
http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/framemaker/comparison.html

FrameMaker vs. InDesign

Good day everyone! I have a client that is considering going from FrameMaker to InDesign...because someone "within Adobe" said that FrameMaker was being phased out and that InDesign will be taking over the large document business. This client has many participant manuals that are text intensive with over 75+ pages, and all graphics are embedded in these documents. One of their products is almost 2000 pages and we use WebWorks to convert to the web.
Quite frankly, I have both products and use InDesign for projects that are graphic intensive and less than 10 pages. I've always considered it a good marketing product. But most of work I do for clients...FrameMaker is king, and never "breaks" like Word.
So the question(s) (you knew that there had to be a question): Is FrameMaker going to be around for awhile? Does anyone know if InDesign is slated to take over the FrameMaker business? What would you say to the client that may want to go from FrameMaker to InDesign?
Thanks,
Cindy

cll-durango wrote:
Good day everyone! I have a client that is considering going from FrameMaker to InDesign...because someone "within Adobe" said that FrameMaker was being phased out and that InDesign will be taking over the large document business.
It's not likely that any Adobe employee, contractor, independent developer, or beta tester, who might know this for a fact, could reveal it without severe legal repercussions. Anyone who might know it officially has to be under a non-disclosure agreement (NDA.)
To calm your client, ask them to vet the reliability of the source of this specific instance of a very long-running and persistent history of such rumors about the demise of FM. So far, they've all been premature.
Quite frankly, I have both products and use InDesign for projects that
are graphic intensive and less than 10 pages. I've always considered it
a good marketing product. But most of work I do for
clients...FrameMaker is king, and never "breaks" like Word.
This client has many participant manuals that are text intensive with over 75+ pages, and all graphics are embedded in these documents. One of their products is almost 2000 pages and we use WebWorks to convert to the web.
ID CS4 has improved output for DreamWeaver Web use. However, if you also use WebWorks for creating Help systems with FM, currently there's no smooth solution for creating help from ID.
So the question(s) (you knew that there had to be a question): Is FrameMaker going to be around for awhile? Does anyone know if InDesign is slated to take over the FrameMaker business? What would you say to the client that may want to go from FrameMaker to InDesign?
Thanks,
Cindy
As InDesign continues to enhance existing long-document features and introduce new ones, it may become a close competitor to FrameMaker in workflows that it's been the wisest choice.
Regarding moving one's workflow from any long-established tool set to another, newer, one, is never simple, clean, and painless. Adobe or a third-party developer would need to provide a conversion method, application, service, or combination, that would make migration of existing documents as transparent and painless as possible, to be attractive in any degree. User training, dual-workflows during the transition, new workflow methods for current third-party and customized follow-on processes, are all significant costs to consider when deciding whether to change or stay put.
I would ask the client to list all shortcomings that they find with FM, what advantages they see in ID currently, and what they hope that ID will introduce in forthcoming releases that would fill important gaps for them, should they become realities. This would be a good place to start.
I would also ask how much cost they expect to save in ongoing operations after a successful migration, and compare it to how much the cost of migrating as described above, plus the cost of licensing new software - InDesign plus any third-party tools - plus some multiplier to allow for the inevitable surprises.
I would also ask if the current workforce would be willing and able to make the transition. Adjust the cost calculation by adding any increased costs for new or replacement employees, and subtracting any expected reduction in employees based on a realistic evaluation of increased efficiency.
Then, I would ask if they have the money, and can justify the costs, and WILL actually spend the money.
IOW, it's a normal business decision that should be based on thorough research.
DISCLAIMER: I'm not connected to Adobe. I'm writing a book for FrameMaker users who want to move to InDesign.
HTH
Regards,
Peter
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

FrameMaker 8 versus InDesign CS 3 Question

This may seem like a silly question, but we need to ask it.
We have been building our technical manuals, books, and training materials in InDesign for quite a long time.
Is there a benefit to switching to FrameMaker for our technical writing needs?
I only stumbled onto the product site when looking for screen capture utilities via the Captivate 3 product page.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Philip E.

Hi, Philip:
I don't think you've stated why you're considering other solutions than the InDesign one you're already using. If you could state your satisfactions and dissatisfactions with ID it would be helpful to you, as well as to anyone who might have a suggestion or recommendation.
I looked at the comparison at http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/comparison.html
and found marketing-speak that clouds some of the information. There's also some comparison of features that aren't close-enough counterparts to be compared. Finally, some third-party tools are mentioned that supplement FM, but some that supplement ID aren't mentioned; for example, cross-references.
One example of an incomplete comparison is drawing tools. You can do a lot with FM's rudimentary drawing tools (they were advanced when first introduced, but they haven't evolved.) ID's drawing tools are Illustrator-class.
If your workflow uses external tools and simply places them into your documents, superiority or inferiority of the drawing tools are a non-issue. Similarly, other aspects of your workflow may indicate which features of which product should carry weight when deciding on the most appropriate tool.
RE: Thomas Bro's points:
* InDesign lacks FrameMaker's ability to apply master pages depending on body-page content; however, FM added this recently - in the past it was available as a third-party tool. ID's designed as a container of plug-ins; there are many third-party tools extend it, both plug-ins and scripts. ID's also designed to be scripted by relative amateurs as well as professional developers.
* There's a cross-reference plug-in for ID, from dtptools.com, that's a bit more advanced than FM's built-in. Like FM, they become links in PDF documents.
* Although ID currently lacks conditional text, XML manipulations can do the same thing. In fact, there are third-party XML tools for FM that claim to offer more conditional flexibility than FM itself.
(PS: Thomas, I read a long time ago about someone who wrote, as well as edited and reformatted, documentation in DOS's EDLIN, where each line ends with a carriage return, and almost all operations require special trigger keys to perform them! It's only one or two steps above cuneiform.<G>)
If you need to create online Help systems, FM's the clear choice for the simplest path through well-proven tools. XML from ID could be used to work with help tools, though it's not a a common path yet.
HTH
Regards,
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

FrameMaker to InDesign conversion?

I have FrameMaker 7.2 and InDesign CS3. I have a few book projects in FrameMaker that I would like to convert over to CS3. However, one of them has extensive (hundreds) of cross-references (footnotes, basically), and the other has been indexed. I don't mind losing formatting, since I figure I'll be creating a new format in InDesign anyway, but I do mind losing the cross-references and the indexing.
Is there a way to import my FrameMaker files into InDesign that will retain cross-references and indexing?
What I've tried:
I tried saving a test FrameMaker file as RTF, text, and MIF, but InDesign didn't recognize any of these formats. (Though text and RTF would lose my indexing and cross-references, I was trying to see if InDesign would recognize ANY format.)
I found a service online that charges rather steeply for converting from FrameMaker to InDesign, but that isn't an option.
Thanks in advance for any help that is offered.
regards,
Marina

semiwool wrote:
But that tool didn't work with our test files. At the request of the DTP Tools folks, I ftp'd two of our archives. They acknowledged receiving them, but I haven't heard anything since. I'm guessing that these files are too complex for their filter. I should explain that these files began life as design-y Quark files, which were later converted to FrameMaker. So there are a lot of design elements you might not often find in FrameMaker documents.
InDesign table styles and table cell styles are very smart and offer more formatting options than FrameMaker, but InDesign doesn't sort tables, and doesn't have the FrameMaker column-width settings like "make current column same width as column x," or "make selected column(s) as wide as its longest text line."
Here's where I get really confused: ID tables.
In FrameMaker, the Table Tag contains the information about rules. But when I build rule information into an ID Table Style, nothing happens. I get no rules at all unless I ALSO specify rules in the Cell Style. What am I missing here?
Also, this business of associating cell styles and paragraph styles seems like an unnecessary pain to me. What am I missing here?
Also, ID doesn't make a distinction between the title block and heading rows, which is a problem for us because each of these elements is formatted differently in our tables.
Also, ID doesn't have the "table continuation" variable.
Whew! 8-)
There's an InDesign table-sorting script (search Google) somewhere around, but I don't think anyone's yet created scripts for these other features.
As always, submit format feature requests at https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform. The more requests they receive, the better chance it will happen sometime in a future release.
HTH
Regards,
Peter
The DTP Tools' MIF Filter for InDesign commercial plug-in converts conditional text and cross-references.
It's not surprising that non-standard FrameMaker methods and techniques don't convert well with a tool designed for standard FrameMaker, so the workarounds to wrangle Quark originals into FrameMaker may be helpful to the DTP Tools folks to work with going forward. It's always OK to drop a note to follow-up on their progress with your files.
Yes, InDesign turns certain table properties over to cells. Not necessarily better or worse than FrameMaker, just different. One example is that FrameMaker's paragraph format Table Cell margin property is a Table Cell offset property in InDesign. That's consistent with InDesign's text frame offset property; FrameMaker has no text offset property within a text frame that corresponds to this InDesign property.
FrameMaker table formats save the paragraph formats in the first row of table cells. When you create a new FM table with a given format, the last-created table's number of header and body rows, and table columns, are the initial suggestions; the first row of cells has the saved paragraph formats, and so do the additional rows.
True, InDesign tables have no title element. Using the paragraph in which you create the table for the title text probably will do the same thing as your FrameMaker table titles. Search Google for "indesign table continuation variable" without quotes for tips on emulating them.
You'll get used to the fact that these two products are different. One major difference you'll probably see going forward, is that the familar basic FrameMaker tool set that you've grown used to, isn't going to change markedly, even as its user interface, interactive-media options, outputs and frameworks like XML, DITA, etc, do change; compare this to InDesign's steady growth in technical-publishing features, release-by-release. The more you make use of the feature request form, the more likely you'll see some of your requests come to a future release.
HTH
Regards,
Peter
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

What's the best way to run FrameMaker 8 on a Mac?

What's my best bet for running FrameMaker 8 on a MacBook Macintosh laptop?
Can I run FM 8 directly under OS X, since it's a Unix app? Any special tricks to making it go?
Or will I need to run FM 8 under Linux or Windows? If so, I'll need to be able to copy and paste from one environment to the other. What are my options? Their pros and cons?
I'm switching from a PowerBook to a MacBook so I can run MacSpeech Dictate dictation software. Dictate ONLY runs on Intel Macs.
I currently use FrameMaker+SGML 6.0 in Classic. It CAN'T run on the Intel Macs.
I have over half a million words of FrameMaker files, including 7 volumes of cross-referenced research notes I add to almost daily. Since I am heavily dependent on FrameMaker's features, it's a must-have.
I haven't bought the MacBook yet, so if there are any hardware requirements I need to know about, or options I should consider or avoid, please let me know.

> If I understood him correctly, the Adobe salesperson I talked to
> yesterday runs the Unix version of FrameMaker directly under OS X
There is NO way to get the Unix (=Solaris) version of FM 8 to run
under OS X. It's an executable compiled for the SPARC processor,
and I don't think Apple has made a SPARC/Solaris emulator... :-)
/Thomas Michanek

To import a pdf file in FrameMaker

How do we import a pdf file with all its pages in a FrameMaker file ?
I found that we can import only one sheet of the pdf in a FrameMaker file.

Asha_Rayakar wrote:
How do we import a pdf file with all its pages in a FrameMaker file ?
I found that we can import only one sheet of the pdf in a FrameMaker file.
As already posted, this is how FrameMaker works. InDesign can import complete multi-page PDFs. If you're able to change production tools, InDesign may be an option. The suggested method of creating the PDF content that FrameMaker is able to create, and combining it with the existing PDF document in Acrobat.
HTH
Regards,
Peter
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

InDesign and Hungarian Text

I am currently using InDesign CS2 Windows and I have been able to work with a wide range of characters/languages with no problems; from Romanian to Icelandic once I installed the appropriate font not characters were ever missing. Until I tried to pour text in Hungarian. I cannot get the 2 character ő to appear even after installing a couple of "Hungarian" fonts. Can someone help me please?!?

Thomas,
If you use Unicode fonts (most OTF fonts), they automatically contain the characters you need.
Attention! Unicode and OpenType are only "formats". It's up to the designer(s) of the font which glyphs to include and which not. It's absolutely fine to create a Unicode OTF font that only covers the glyphs for "western" languages. And there are enough OpenType fonts out there with no support for e.g. central European languages.
Beside this, I suggest to not use old (non-unicode) Type1 Fonts in a Unicode Environment like FrameMaker 8 or InDesign.
I suggest to carefully check the preferred font for the languages covered. You can check this with your font vendor or check for consulting of a specialist for multilingual publishing ;-)

General Question of FrameMaker

So my boss is wanting me to write a review on page layout/desktop publishing software, and they are convinced that they want FrameMaker on our lineup. As i look at it more and more, I just get more confused. Is it like InDesign or PagePlus? Or is it someting completely different and I am just an idiot. Also, don't answer the last part of that question.

IMO, your original post has an important clue, namely, "page layout and publishing." FrameMaker can do layout. When it was first introduced on unix, it was an achievement just to be able to work in WYSIWIG mode, rather than plain text, or for the power users, plain text with embedded formatting codes. So, users could have great layout control on screen, write text, create and import graphics in real time. Macintosh was only a few years old then, so even layout software on Mac wasn't that much more powerful than FrameMaker. However, as dedicated layout software evolved, FrameMaker's layout abilities weren't competitive, because it was evolving as a technical document publishing tool.
Although FrameMaker can do layout, it's not much farther along than when it was first introduced. Don't misunderstand, it was pretty good then, and it still is. But it's not on par with true layout tools. There's some confusion, because layout tools like InDesign have become hybrids, as they continue to incorporate more and more features that compare to FrameMaker's long and complex technical document abilities.
Search Google for terms like "reviews of framemaker," "framemaker compared to InDesign," and "framemaker for layout,"" without quotes for some links to additional perspectives on what FrameMaker is and its suitability for layout/design, compared to InDesign.
HTH
Regards,
Peter
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
jinx2416 wrote:
That makes sense. I will start from there then. Every time I open up a video tutorial, it is an XML page that they are working on, so that's why I was thinking it was for dev.
Thanks for your help.

Populating Framemaker structured templates

Presently utilizing Framemaker+SGML 7.2 environment, along with version 7.1 of the FDK. Our organization has a group of users that utilize templates to input structured information to generate validated SGML, specific to DTDs, that is then used as input to generate a number of other formats XML, HTML, KML.
My question is, presently all the information is manually keystroked into the templated SGML elements. There are external resources that I have available that could enable prepopulation of the templates with information, and eliminate much of the manual input--very labor intensive. This could speed up input and accuracy. These sources include:
Unstructured Microsoft word documents.
Sybase database.
Web service requests that could provide me an XML instance.
XML fragments.
Are there any FDK resources available that would enable me to utilize this external information so that I can assist our users with prepopulating our templates? There is currently a stigma attached with Framemaker in our production environment. The markup of the information is the bottleneck. If not, would upgrading to version 9.0 provide any capability to resolve this issue?
If there are any of these resources available, can you direct me to examples or provide code fragment examples. I am not a native C programmer.

Pony Boy,
I think I'm generally in agreement with Michael. You can probably find a way to programmatically hook into these other applications; however, it might be best to convert them to XML first, then import to FM. The reason is that FM can read XML natively. With that, you can either:
- Use stylesheets as Michael suggests to format the content for publication, or
- Use the FDK (or FrameScript) to pick out pieces of the XML content and stick it into another document (which sounds a lot like what you want)
I do the latter all the time and can attest that it is very straightforward, once you have some basic FDK skills. The XML markup makes for a very logical roadmap through the content that you can parse with code.
So in summary, just guessing based on your description, I think I'd tackle this as follows:
- Settle on a common XML structure and get the third-party apps to output it. For example, get Word to generate some XML for you, which may not be simple but would probably be easier than trying to parse Word files in FM.
- Build a structure app to import the XML to FM. In actuality, you may not need any structure app at all if you are importing it solely for the purpose of populating other docs (with the FDK). This is something else I take advantage of frequently... the ability to import raw XML and transfer the content to another template. It doesn't look like anything when it comes in, but as soon as the content is inserted into a working template with an operational EDD, it suddenly becomes formated according to the respective EDD rules.
- Build an FDK client to do the transfer. The nature of this client would depend on the nature of content to transfer and the type of markup you are using. There may be third-party tools that can assist you with this effort.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts about that. I can post sample code that deals with the transfer of content from one FM file to another. I woiuldn't be able to comment further on getting third-party app data into XML, though.
Russ

Removing a row from SQL query results when there is a duplicate hostname

I have a query created for a software usage report in SCCM. When there are multiple versions of the same software (Acrobat) installed on the same machine, I will receive duplicate results for the same machine. For example, it will come back with Acrobat
9 and another Acrobat 10 for HOSTNAME1. However, only Acrobat 10 has a usage count. Is it possible to delete the row for Acrobat that has a software usage count of "0/null" if there is another Acrobat results showing up that actually has a usage
count? Let me know if I need to clarify. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

It is more complicated than doing just "Where usage count >0 and usage is not NULL"
because I still want results that have a 0 usage count. I just don't want to have duplicate machines show up for the same software IF one of them returns a usage count of 0.
SELECT DISTINCT
abc.SECTOR
,abc.BA
,abc.SITE
,abc.HOSTNAME as 'Name0'
,rs.ResourceID
,CASE
WHEN mf.OriginalFileName = 'dwrcc.exe' THEN 'DameWare'
WHEN mf.OriginalFileName = 'matlab.exe' THEN 'MathWorks'
WHEN mf.OriginalFileName IN ('encoder.exe','expressionweb.exe','exprwd.exe','mappoint.exe','winproj.exe','visio.exe','devenv.exe','VBExpress.exe','VCExpress.exe','VCSExpress.exe','VWDExpress.exe','excel.exe','groove.exe','infopath.exe','msaccess.exe','mspub.exe','onenote.exe','outlook.exe','powerpnt.exe','winword.exe','communicator.exe')
THEN 'Microsoft'
WHEN mf.OriginalFileName IN ('acrobat.exe','Acrobat Elements.exe','AfterFX.exe','Audition.Exe','Adobe Audition.Exe','AdobeCaptivate.exe','CFReportBuilder.exe','Coldfusion.Exe','Contribute.exe','director.exe','Projector.exe','dreamweaver.exe','Adobe
Encore.exe','Adobe Encore Dvd.Exe','Encoredvd.Exe','Fireworks.exe','FlashBuilder4.exe','flash.exe','Flex Builder.exe','FlexBuilder.exe','Framemaker.Exe','framemaker+sgml.exe','illustrator.exe','HomeSite+.exe','homesite4.exe','homesite45.exe','Homesite5.exe','InDesign.exe','Lightroom.exe','Adobe
OnLocation.exe','Pm65.Exe','Pm70.Exe','pm.exe','pm4.exe','pm5.exe','pm6.exe','photoshop.exe','Photosle.exe','Photoshopelementsorganizer.Exe','Photoshopelementseditor.Exe','photoshp.exe','Lightroom.exe','Adobe Premiere Elements.Exe','Adobe Premiere Elements
8.0.Exe','Adobe Premiere Elements 10.Exe','Adobe Premiere Elements 9.Exe','Adobe Premiere Elements 7.0.exe','Premiere.Exe','Adobe Premiere Pro.Exe','Adobe-Pr-Vc.Exe','Robohelp.Exe','robodemo.exe','roboinfo.exe','Adobe Soundbooth CS5.exe','Adobe Soundbooth
CS4.exe','Adobe Soundbooth CS3.exe','Adobe Media Encoder.exe','speedgrade.exe','adobe prelude.exe') THEN 'Adobe'
ELSE 'OTHER'
END as 'Publisher'
,(CASE mf.OriginalFileName
WHEN 'acrobat.exe' THEN 'Acrobat'
WHEN 'Acrobat Elements.exe' THEN 'Acrobat Elements'
WHEN 'AfterFX.exe' THEN 'After Effects'
WHEN 'Audition.exe' THEN 'Audition'
WHEN 'Adobe Audition.exe' THEN 'Audition'
WHEN 'AdobeCaptivate.exe' THEN 'Captivate'
WHEN 'CFReportBuilder.exe' THEN 'Coldfusion Builder'
WHEN 'Coldfusion.exe' THEN 'Coldfusion Standard'
WHEN 'Contribute.exe' THEN 'Contribute'
WHEN 'dwrcc.exe' THEN 'DameWare Mini Remote Control'
WHEN 'director.exe' THEN 'Director'
WHEN 'Projector.exe' THEN 'Director'
WHEN 'dreamweaver.exe' THEN 'Dreamweaver'
WHEN 'Adobe Encore.exe' THEN 'Encore'
WHEN 'Adobe Encore Dvd.exe' THEN 'Encore'
WHEN 'Encoredvd.exe' THEN 'Encore'
WHEN 'encoder.exe' THEN 'Expression'
WHEN 'expressionweb.exe' THEN 'Expression'
WHEN 'exprwd.exe' THEN 'Expression'
WHEN 'Fireworks.exe' THEN 'Fireworks'
WHEN 'FlashBuilder4.exe' THEN 'Flash Builder'
WHEN 'flash.exe' THEN 'Flash Pro'
WHEN 'Flex Builder.exe' THEN 'FlexBuilder'
WHEN 'FlexBuilder.exe' THEN 'FlexBuilder'
WHEN 'Framemaker.exe' THEN 'FrameMaker'
WHEN 'framemaker+sgml.exe' THEN 'FrameMaker'
WHEN 'HomeSite+.exe' THEN 'Homesite'
WHEN 'homesite4.exe' THEN 'Homesite'
WHEN 'homesite45.exe' THEN 'Homesite'
WHEN 'Homesite5.exe' THEN 'Homesite'
WHEN 'illustrator.exe' THEN 'Illustrator'
WHEN 'InDesign.exe' THEN 'InDesign'
WHEN 'Lightroom.exe' THEN 'Lightroom'
WHEN 'mappoint.exe' THEN 'MapPoint'
WHEN 'Adobe Media Encoder.exe' THEN 'Media Encoder'
WHEN 'Adobe OnLocation.exe' THEN 'OnLocation'
WHEN 'Pm65.exe' THEN 'PageMaker'
WHEN 'Pm70.exe' THEN 'PageMaker'
WHEN 'pm.exe' THEN 'PageMaker'
WHEN 'pm4.exe' THEN 'PageMaker'
WHEN 'pm5.exe' THEN 'PageMaker'
WHEN 'pm6.exe' THEN 'PageMaker'
WHEN 'photoshop.exe' THEN 'Photoshop'
WHEN 'Photosle.exe' THEN 'Photoshop'
WHEN 'Photoshopelementsorganizer.exe' THEN 'Photoshop Elements'
WHEN 'Photoshopelementseditor.exe' THEN 'Photoshop Elements'
WHEN 'photoshp.exe' THEN 'Photoshop Elements'
WHEN 'Lightroom.exe' THEN 'Photoshop Lightroom'
WHEN 'adobe prelude.exe' THEN 'Prelude'
WHEN 'Adobe Premiere Elements.exe' THEN 'Premiere Elements'
WHEN 'Adobe Premiere Elements 8.0.exe' THEN 'Premiere Elements'
WHEN 'Adobe Premiere Elements 10.exe' THEN 'Premiere Elements'
WHEN 'Adobe Premiere Elements 9.exe' THEN 'Premiere Elements'
WHEN 'Adobe Premiere Elements 7.0.exe' THEN 'Premiere Elements'
WHEN 'Premiere.exe' THEN 'Premiere Pro'
WHEN 'Adobe Premiere Pro.exe' THEN 'Premiere Pro'
WHEN 'Adobe-Pr-Vc.exe' THEN 'Presenter'
WHEN 'winproj.exe' THEN 'Project'
WHEN 'Robohelp.exe' THEN 'RoboHelp'
WHEN 'robodemo.exe' THEN 'RoboHelp'
WHEN 'roboinfo.exe' THEN 'RoboHelp'
WHEN 'Adobe Soundbooth CS5.exe' THEN 'Soundbooth'
WHEN 'Adobe Soundbooth CS4.exe' THEN 'Soundbooth'
WHEN 'Adobe Soundbooth CS3.exe' THEN 'Soundbooth'
WHEN 'speedgrade.exe' THEN 'Speedgrade'
WHEN 'visio.exe' THEN 'Visio'
WHEN 'devenv.exe' THEN 'Visual Studio'
WHEN 'VBExpress.exe' THEN 'Visual Studio'
WHEN 'VCExpress.exe' THEN 'Visual Studio'
WHEN 'VCSExpress.exe' THEN 'Visual Studio'
WHEN 'VWDExpress.exe' THEN 'Visual Studio'
WHEN 'WinWord.exe' THEN 'Word'
WHEN 'matlab.exe' THEN 'MATLAB'
ELSE mf.OriginalFileName
END) as 'ProductName'
,mf.OriginalFileName
,sf.FileDescription
,CASE
WHEN sf.FilePath like '%acrobat%' and sf.FileVersion != '' THEN left(sf.FileVersion,patindex('%.%',sf.FileVersion)-1)
ELSE sf.FileVersion
END AS 'FileVersion'
,sf.FilePath
,mf.MeteredFileID
,ISNULL(mus.UsageTime, '') as 'USAGETIME'
,ISNULL(mus.UsageCount, '') as 'USAGECOUNT'
,mus.LastUsage
--,ISNULL(CONVERT(VARCHAR,mus.LastUsage,21),'') as 'Last Used'
,CASE
WHEN mus.LastUsage IS NULL and
sf.FilePath like '%\Program Files\Hewlett-Packard\%'
or sf.FilePath like '_:\Windows\%'
or sf.FilePath like '% old %'
or sf.FilePath like '%[_]old[_]%'
or sf.FilePath like '%backup%'
or sf.FilePath like '_:\Data\%'
or sf.FilePath like 'C:\Users\%'
or sf.FilePath like 'C:\Documents and Settings\%'
or (sf.FileName = 'acrobat.exe' and sf.FileDescription IS NULL)
THEN 'FALSE'
ELSE 'TRUE'
END as 'VALID'
,ISNULL(ui.UserName,scum.TopConsoleUser0) as 'PrimaryUser'
FROM
v_MeteredFiles mf
INNER JOIN v_GS_SoftwareFile sf on mf.MeteredFileID = sf.FileID
--LEFT JOIN v_SoftwareFile sfi on sfi.FileID = sf.FileID
LEFT JOIN v_R_System rs on sf.ResourceID = rs.ResourceID and rs.Obsolete0 = 0 and rs.Active0 = 1
LEFT JOIN v_CH_ClientSummary ch on ch.ResourceID = rs.ResourceID
INNER JOIN [CUSTOM].[dbo].[ABC_SITES] abc on rs.Name0 = abc.HOSTNAME and abc.SERV_FL = 'N'
LEFT JOIN (
SELECT ResourceID,FileID,SUM(UsageCount) as 'UsageCount',MAX(MeteredUserID) as 'UserID',SUM(UsageTime) as 'UsageTime',MAX(LastUsage) as 'LastUsage'
FROM v_MonthlyUsageSummary
GROUP BY ResourceID,FileID
) mus on mus.ResourceID = sf.ResourceID and mus.FileID = mf.MeteredFileID
LEFT JOIN v_Users ui on ui.UserID = mus.UserID
LEFT JOIN v_GS_SYSTEM_CONSOLE_USAGE_MAXGROUP scum on scum.ResourceID = rs.ResourceID
WHERE
(ch.LastActiveTime >= GETDATE()-30 or bae.LOGON_TMSP >= GETDATE()-30)
and mf.OriginalFileName != 'WinWord.exe'
--Exclude files in Recycle Bin
and sf.FilePath not like '_:\$Recycle.Bin%'
--Exclude invalid flash FileID's:
and sf.FileID not in ('216172782114109353','216172782113863960','216172782113863969','216172782114336737','216172782114337853','216172782114009539','216172782114088205','216172782114148960','216172782114088174','216172782114109319','216172782113854316','216172782114045303','216172782114103331','216172782114318673','216172782113997536','216172782114103319','216172782114035585','216172782114035580','288230376151905593','288230376152414835','288230376152326390','288230376152414762','288230376152752371','288230376152238194','288230376151864114','288230376152221470','288230376152194417','288230376152452591','288230376152433530','288230376151826881','288230376151905590','288230376151993886','288230376152142718','288230376151766967','288230376151949862','288230376151870700','288230376151805491','288230376151796019','288230376152041232','288230376152068486','288230376152330596','288230376151982279','288230376151982277','288230376152126901','288230376151864098','288230376152129697','288230376152055728','216172782113836986','288230376152068474','288230376152068500','288230376151754145','288230376152241787','216172782113974892','288230376152107352','288230376152049272','288230376152367258','288230376152014270','288230376152423348','288230376151777614','288230376152137355','288230376152699042','288230376151777252','288230376152025890','288230376152688217','216172782113850093','216172782113850201','216172782114478326','216172782114139161','216172782113976965','216172782114084839','216172782114084848','288230376151766956','288230376152068464','288230376151766948','288230376152068455','288230376151903237','288230376151857402','288230376151933218','216172782113888320','216172782113867157','216172782113798401','216172782113884867')
and sf.FileDescription not like '%PackageForTheWeb%'
and sf.FileDescription not like '%Projector%'
and sf.FileDescription not like '%Adobe Reader%'
and sf.FileDescription not like '%Netopsystems%'
and abc.SECTOR in (@Sector)
and abc.BA in (@Business_Area)
and abc.SITE in (@Site)
and (CASE mf.OriginalFileName
WHEN 'acrobat.exe' THEN 'Acrobat'
WHEN 'Acrobat Elements.exe' THEN 'Acrobat Elements'
WHEN 'AfterFX.exe' THEN 'After Effects'
WHEN 'Audition.exe' THEN 'Audition'
WHEN 'Adobe Audition.exe' THEN 'Audition'
WHEN 'AdobeCaptivate.exe' THEN 'Captivate'
WHEN 'CFReportBuilder.exe' THEN 'Coldfusion Builder'
WHEN 'Coldfusion.exe' THEN 'Coldfusion Standard'
WHEN 'Contribute.exe' THEN 'Contribute'
WHEN 'dwrcc.exe' THEN 'DameWare Mini Remote Control'
WHEN 'director.exe' THEN 'Director'
WHEN 'Projector.exe' THEN 'Director'
WHEN 'dreamweaver.exe' THEN 'Dreamweaver'
WHEN 'Adobe Encore.exe' THEN 'Encore'
WHEN 'Adobe Encore Dvd.exe' THEN 'Encore'
WHEN 'Encoredvd.exe' THEN 'Encore'
WHEN 'encoder.exe' THEN 'Expression'
WHEN 'expressionweb.exe' THEN 'Expression'
WHEN 'exprwd.exe' THEN 'Expression'
WHEN 'Fireworks.exe' THEN 'Fireworks'
WHEN 'FlashBuilder4.exe' THEN 'Flash Builder'
WHEN 'flash.exe' THEN 'Flash Pro'
WHEN 'Flex Builder.exe' THEN 'FlexBuilder'
WHEN 'FlexBuilder.exe' THEN 'FlexBuilder'
WHEN 'Framemaker.exe' THEN 'FrameMaker'
WHEN 'framemaker+sgml.exe' THEN 'FrameMaker'
WHEN 'HomeSite+.exe' THEN 'Homesite'
WHEN 'homesite4.exe' THEN 'Homesite'
WHEN 'homesite45.exe' THEN 'Homesite'
WHEN 'Homesite5.exe' THEN 'Homesite'
WHEN 'illustrator.exe' THEN 'Illustrator'
WHEN 'InDesign.exe' THEN 'InDesign'
WHEN 'Lightroom.exe' THEN 'Lightroom'
WHEN 'mappoint.exe' THEN 'MapPoint'
WHEN 'Adobe Media Encoder.exe' THEN 'Media Encoder'
WHEN 'Adobe OnLocation.exe' THEN 'OnLocation'
WHEN 'Pm65.exe' THEN 'PageMaker'
WHEN 'Pm70.exe' THEN 'PageMaker'
WHEN 'pm.exe' THEN 'PageMaker'
WHEN 'pm4.exe' THEN 'PageMaker'
WHEN 'pm5.exe' THEN 'PageMaker'
WHEN 'pm6.exe' THEN 'PageMaker'
WHEN 'photoshop.exe' THEN 'Photoshop'
WHEN 'Photosle.exe' THEN 'Photoshop'
WHEN 'Photoshopelementsorganizer.exe' THEN 'Photoshop Elements'
WHEN 'Photoshopelementseditor.exe' THEN 'Photoshop Elements'
WHEN 'photoshp.exe' THEN 'Photoshop Elements'
WHEN 'Lightroom.exe' THEN 'Photoshop Lightroom'
WHEN 'adobe prelude.exe' THEN 'Prelude'
WHEN 'Adobe Premiere Elements.exe' THEN 'Premiere Elements'
WHEN 'Adobe Premiere Elements 8.0.exe' THEN 'Premiere Elements'
WHEN 'Adobe Premiere Elements 10.exe' THEN 'Premiere Elements'
WHEN 'Adobe Premiere Elements 9.exe' THEN 'Premiere Elements'
WHEN 'Adobe Premiere Elements 7.0.exe' THEN 'Premiere Elements'
WHEN 'Premiere.exe' THEN 'Premiere Pro'
WHEN 'Adobe Premiere Pro.exe' THEN 'Premiere Pro'
WHEN 'Adobe-Pr-Vc.exe' THEN 'Presenter'
WHEN 'winproj.exe' THEN 'Project'
WHEN 'Robohelp.exe' THEN 'RoboHelp'
WHEN 'robodemo.exe' THEN 'RoboHelp'
WHEN 'roboinfo.exe' THEN 'RoboHelp'
WHEN 'Adobe Soundbooth CS5.exe' THEN 'Soundbooth'
WHEN 'Adobe Soundbooth CS4.exe' THEN 'Soundbooth'
WHEN 'Adobe Soundbooth CS3.exe' THEN 'Soundbooth'
WHEN 'speedgrade.exe' THEN 'Speedgrade'
WHEN 'visio.exe' THEN 'Visio'
WHEN 'devenv.exe' THEN 'Visual Studio'
WHEN 'VBExpress.exe' THEN 'Visual Studio'
WHEN 'VCExpress.exe' THEN 'Visual Studio'
WHEN 'VCSExpress.exe' THEN 'Visual Studio'
WHEN 'VWDExpress.exe' THEN 'Visual Studio'
WHEN 'WinWord.exe' THEN 'Word'
WHEN 'matlab.exe' THEN 'Matlab'
ELSE mf.OriginalFileName
END) IN (@MeteredProduct)
ORDER BY
abc.SECTOR
,abc.BA
,abc.SITE
,abc.HOSTNAME

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i want to give different paragraph style in the same line in an indesign document. bt when i tried it, it is coming in two different line.
actually i am doing a project in which Frame maker document is transformed into indesign document. in frame maker this is possiable, but in indesign i cannot give different paragraph style in the same line of the document.
Is there any way to do this ????

YaneshTyagi wrote:
i want to give different paragraph style in the same line in an indesign document. bt when i tried it, it is coming in two different line.
actually i am doing a project in which Frame maker document is transformed into indesign document. in frame maker this is possiable, but in indesign i cannot give different paragraph style in the same line of the document.
Is there any way to do this ????
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You can add your vote for InDesign's developers to include these FrameMaker features, and any others you'd like to see, here: wish.
HTH
Regards,
Peter
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

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_JW_ wrote:
I am trying to do the following type of list:
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Regards,
Peter
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