Freeview PCI TV Tuner

i can't find the thread here now, but someone was asking about a DVB TV Tuner card that could be fitted to the Mega PC. While browsing the net today, I came across this:
http://www.blackgold.tv/products/digital.htm
It costs £89 inc VAT and delivery, and is quite unique, because I haven't seen anything like this before
has anyone got or seen one of these in action?

the other thing i'm curious about is how you could use a smartcard with this card to receive the TopUp TV channels available through Freeview, I imagine this won't be a possibility...
TopUpTV? UKGold, E4, Discovery and more on Freeview! http://www.topuptv.com

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JM studio capture on PCI tv tuner...

Hi all!!!
I am using PCI TV tuner card (Avermedia tv card).
I am unable to view any channel on my JM studo view using capture command.I have installed al the supporting Drivers supplied by vender ( which are VFW compliant) I am not able to find what went wrong with my working set up ( JMF 2.1.1e , JDK 1.4.2_06, JAXP 1.0.1, Java TV API 1.0, Personel java 3.1)
Thanks in advance.
venki

Hi,
I was wondering whether anyone has a definitive answer to this question...I guess boasting about having this solved without a howto is not enough. So here are my queries:
1.how does one specify which input to capture video from a tv tuner card that supports multiple inputs (e.g. s-video, antenna etc.).
2.how does one programatically change channels, if antenna input capturing is used?
Pertaining to 1. the JMF Dev Guide specifies that one should obtain a PortControl from the CaptureDevice Datasource and then set the appropriate mask.
HOWEVER, my tv card (Kworld NB-TV 100) resp. its WDM driver does not expose a PortControl interface. here is my code:
try{
DataSource capturedev = (DataSource)Manager.createDataSource(deviceInfo.getLocator());
Object[] controls = capturedev.getControls();
for (int i = 0; i < controls.length; i++) {
if (controls[i] instanceof PortControl) {
System.out.println("PortControl supported, i = "+i);
PortControl portcontrol = (PortControl)controls;
int ports = portcontrol.getSupportedPorts();
System.out.println("Ports supported, i = "+ports);
}catch(Exception e){
e.printStackTrace();
Running the above code does not print anything, i.e. no PortControl is exposed.
Regarding point 2, there is an email in the list asserting that channels can be changed using a Formatcontrol. However, again, no detailed description is provided on how to do that. Personally, all I can do via the FormatControl is to change the Videoformat of the captured video.
I would appreciate any help,
Thanks
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MSI TV@nywhere MASTER PCI TV Tuner card FAQ

So you’ve just decided to add a MSI TV@nywhere Master card to your PC, you’re gonna need some help installing it then!! Before you continue, I recommend you download the Unofficial New Drivers in the other sticky, to avoid any heart (and brain!) ache.
For best results also, you should be running at least DirectX 8.1. This is included on the driver CD, or you can download the latest version from Microsoft's DirectX Page. If you have a P4 which supports Hyperthreading, you will also need at least Windows XP SP2, otherwise you will have to disable hyperthreading in BIOS.
You should also be in the habit of having the latest drivers for your video card, audio card and motherboard chipset; this can also avoid any future TV software failure. And make sure you regularly run Windows Update (or use the Automatic Update feature) to keep your Windows clean and up-to-date. And also remember when installing new drivers or software, if the installer suggests you restart the computer then do so, before you install anything else! Drivers not installing correctly are common causes of problems, especially with this card!
INSTALLING THE HARDWARE
I’m presuming you’re familiar with the concepts of building and upgrading PCs, so I won’t go into too much detail on obvious stuff (like “remove the side panel of your case, locate a free PCI slot…”).
Fit the TV@nywhere Master card into a free PCI slot. If you didn’t get one with it, you’ll need a CD-audio lead from somewhere (the thin grey lead). If you have one connected between your CD drive and your soundcard CD-Audio In connector, then use that, any version of Windows after 98 supports digital audio extraction, so it is not needed there now. Connect one end of the audio lead to the 4 pin header on the TV@nywhere card and the other to the AUX input on your soundcard (or motherboard if using onboard). If you are installing the Mega TV Tuner in a Mega series barebones, connect it to the TV audio input on the mainboard to the rear. Don’t worry about using the 3.5mm jack plug lead to connect tv card audio, we don’t need it now, doing it this way.
CONNECTING YOUR TV SIGNAL
Depending on your global location, this may vary. Either way you need to connect either a aerial (ANTENNA) or cable (CABLE) to the CATV connector on the card. Someone will no doubt clarify this for me, but cable is for US-type cable, which doesn’t need a decoder box. Most people will be using the Antenna I’m guessing. Your choice of CABLE or ANTENNA needs to be remembered, you’ll need this later.
You will not be able (or have limited success) in connecting a video recorder or set-top box to the CATV connector. Instead you will need to use the Composite or S-Video connector, and connect the audio source either directly to the soundcard or to the Line-in on the TV card.
INSTALLING THE DRIVER
Don’t use the driver on the CD. Download the latest driver from the MSI download page. If you are a Mega series user, make sure that Windows has been installed onto the C: drive. If not you’ll have to reinstall, and disable the USB controller in BIOS to prevent the card readers becoming the C: and D: drives. This also causes problems later.
I would advise temporarily disabling any anti-virus programs at this point, to avoid any complications.
When you start up after first installing the card, cancel any Found New Hardware wizards that appear. OK, so extract the contents of the downloaded ZIP, and run the PVSSetup.exe file to install the drivers. Once this is complete, RESTART your PC and the drivers will be installed for the new hardware found.
Check in Device Manager, there should be four new hardware listed under Sound, Video and Game Controllers related to MS8606. If you see any with the (?) next to them, you might need to try the card in another slot.
INSTALLING THE MSIPVS TV SOFTWARE
If you wish to use other TV recording software other than MSIPVS then please feel free to do so.
MSI do not make their own software. At least not all the time. MSIPVS is a rebranded version of Intervideo’s WinDVR software, with extra features added such as network streaming for TV@nywhere. Some people love it. Lots of people hate it. Generally most people who have posted here hate it. People who love it tend not to post if they don't have problems. The people that hate it generally mess initial settings up, which can cause problems when they try to change it. The more patient of us will always get it eventually right!
Install the MSIPVS software. Easy as that. Its setting it up correctly that’s the tricky part. Listed below are the main things to look for when performing initial setup. If you are unsure about anything else then read the manual! Only a complete genius would dare install any unfamiliar hardware without having the manual handy for reference - how do you suppose I learnt anything?
Device
Video Input:
"Device" is always the Conexant Cx2388x Video Capture"
"Source" - select TV if you are connecting your signal to the CATV connector (antenna or cable), select S-Video or Composite if using these instead
"Standard" - set this to your local TV standard, eg if in UK set to "PAL-I". if unsure, do a Google search and find out!!
If you don't set these correctly you won't receive any channels and/or they will appear incorrectly.
Audio Input:
"Device" will be your soundcard or onboard audio device
"Source" will be the connector your TV card audio output is connected to, this will be "TV" on Mega series, otherwise check!! If you connected the internal lead to AUX on your soundcard or mobo, then set it to "AUX". If you used external lead to connect to Line-In, this will be "Line-in" etc etc.
If you don't set these correctly you may or may not hear audio while watching live TV, and you will hear no audio on recorded TV.
TV
Tuner:
"Input" will be Antenna if you have an aerial connected, or Cable if you are connected to unencoded cable TV.
"Country or Region" - if need to explain this one then maybe you shouldn't have this card!
Channel
Now we will see if your settings and TV signal are good! Tick the Freescan box, and then click on Autoscan. This may take a while, and for a short time it may appear that the program is doing nothing. Patience! It will soon start, and then pick up any available channels it can find.
Make sure you have a good strong signal if you are using an aerial, otherwise TV@nywhere won’t pick up as many channels. UK viewers – just using a simple set-top aerial and signal booster, I could even receive Channel Five (or “five” as it is known now!)
So at this point now, if all has gone well, you should be able to watch and record TV on your PC! If it hasn't...

"I've lost my CDs and MSIPVS needs a serial number to install!"
MSI in their wisdom printed the serial key for MSIPVS on the actual CD. This serial key is the same printed on EVERY CD. Which kind of defeats the object in my humble opinion. Anyways, the answer can be found in this post: MSIPVS requires serial number!
"When installing MSIPVS, the program hangs then shows a message saying "remote procedure call failed" "
If you are a Mega user, you have installed Windows onto a partition other than C:. You will need to reinstall Windows, making sure you disable USB controller in BIOS, so that the card readers do not take up C: and D: drives. Upon first restart (after Windows has created partition), you may re-enter BIOS and enable USB controller before Windows continues installing itself.
"MSIPVS installs, but when I start the application I get an error message "WinDVR has caused a problem and needs to shutdown" "
hpkuo credits this to sizzle in his hints and tips thread, but I'll elaborate a little. The problem is caused by QuickTime codecs installed by Nero 6.3.1.15. It is unclear whether later versions of Nero were fixed, but earlier versions should be okay. "A "quick fix" is to rename the files "NeQTADec.ax" and "NeQTVDec.ax" in "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ahead\DSFilter\"."
Another alternative suggestion is to uninstall the codecs from the registry. I found this solution in another forum for another TV card with same problem:
Go to Start > Run (or press Windows key + R) and enter:
regsvr32 /u "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ahead\DSFilter\NeQTADec.ax"
regsvr32 /u "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ahead\DSFilter\NeQTVDec.ax"
The only consequence seems to be that Nero Vision can’t decode Apple Quick time format after this (something I can live with)
If you do require QuickTime codecs to be installed, there is the Quicktime alternative available from here: http://www.free-codecs.com/download/QuickTime_Alternative.htm . Or you could just use an earlier version of Nero.
PS if you are using a non-english setup of Windows, then the above paths will relate to how windows translates on your PC - ie subsitute Program Files etc for your local translation
"I have connected the external audio lead to the Line-In (blue) jack on my mobo, and set it correctly in MSIPVS, but I hear no TV sound"
If your mobo supports 5.1 speakers but only has three jacks on rear, the Line-in and Mic jacks have been configured to act as Rear Speaker and Center/Sub outputs. If you have only two speakers, they should be connected to the green Front Speaker jack. You will need to go into your audio hardware's configuration panel / Windows Audio Device Properties to correctly configure the rear jacks.
The other alternative is to use the internal audio connector - simply use a CD-audio lead to connect it to the AUX or CD internal connector on your mobo or soundcard. CD audio leads (the analog grey lead from your CD drive to the soundcard / mobo CD audio connector) are redundant now, as Windows now uses digital audio extraction through IDE channel. Make sure you set the audio signal correctly in MSIPVS to match this.
"When I start up Windows I can hear a hissing like "static" / the radio is playing"
One issue that was fixed in the latest Drivers; if that still doesn't work then the Radio volume is not muted at Windows startup. I'll let hschroed take over here:
"Both MSI Radio and MSI PVS, unmute the TV card at program start, and mute the TV card at SUCCESSFUL program exit (remember we are not talking about the soundcard mixer state here). What this means is as long as a single program start and a single SUCCESSFUL program exit takes place, the TV card tuner will be muted, regardless of what the soundcard mixer audio source states are. If the PC is rebooted (without a PC power-off), for whatever reason, while the MSI Radio or MSI PVS program is executing (a successful exit has not been performed), the TV card will remain in an unmuted state until the next startup and successful exit of either of the two programs.
The TV card mute/unmute status is carried over a reboot without PC power off. What this means is that after a PC power on, once the TV card has been properly muted by a start and successful exit of the MSI program, the TV card mute/unmute status should be in proper synchronization with the applications (regardless of the soundcard mixer status), as long as the PC is not powered off. (Romulus mentions computer coming out of standby. I did not test that scenario but I would expect that if going into standby means power is stopped to TV card, the effect would be similar to a PC power off)."
"My regular TV receives all 5 channels (even Channel Five!), but when I connect aerial to TV@nywhere I only get 3"
Common to all TV tuner hardware (not just MSI's!) is the need for a good strong signal. A moderate signal might appear okay on a regular domestic TV, but might not be strong enough for the TV tuner hardware. Consider investing in a good signal booster, or getting your aerial changed.
Consequently, I have also learned today that TOO strong a signal is bad for TV tuner cards, as soon as I know more I'll let you know...
"I have connected my VCR to the CATV connector, but it does not appear when autoscanning."
"I cannot receive any channels when I connect my Sky box to the RF (CATV) connector."
Thanks to a wonderful technology called "Macrovision" protection, many VCRs and satellite/cable boxes won't work in this way by connecting them using their RF output. Anyone who gets a result is very lucky. There's always the Composite and S-Video In connectors to try. But either way, the TV@nywhere card won't scan all their channels, you'll still have to change them manually.
"Windows XP Media Center says that my "tuner hardware is malfunctioning or not installed" but I have installed the latest TV@nywhere drivers from MSI"
Neither the Vox or the TV@nywhere cards are compatible with MCE2005. MCE2005 requires an analogue TV card capable of hardware MPEG2 encoding, or a software DVB-T (digital) card that already receives an MPEG2 video stream over-the-air.
You can however still use the Vox or the TV@nywhere using the MSIPVS software outside of the MCE2005 application.
"MSIPVS keeps defaulting my location back to Afghanistan, even though I set it to US / UK/ Sweden / Latvia / Kazahkstan"
You will need to reinstall the drivers and software due to a glitch. Uninstall MSIPVS and the tuner drivers (with its PVSSetup.exe setup program) then restart your PC, and ignore the Found New Hardware wizard. Install the tuner drivers with the PVSSetup.exe program, then restart your PC. Then install MSIPVS, restart your PC and you're good to go again!
"Where can I find these "Unofficial New Drivers" that people keep referring to here?"
The "Unofficial New (BETA) Drivers" became obsolete when MSI officially released them. You can find them on the Product Support page for this card, as they are now the latest drivers. MSI TV@nywhere Master product page
[Last edited 8th October 05 by Dr Stu]

Pci-e tuner card not recognized on z68ma-ed55

I just built a new system using the z68 motherboard and everything seems to be working except my hauppauge hvr1800 tv tuner. I was hoping maybe some of you experts might have some insight. I have already updated the bios, per msi's advice but that didn't seem to do anything. I'm using windows 7 - 64 and the device will not even show up in the device manager. I have tried both pci-e x1 slots but neither seem to recognize that a card is installed. I put the card back in my old system and windows xp recognized it right away. Is there something simple I am overlooking? I don't have any other pci-e x1 cards to test so I'm not sure how to verify the slots are bad. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Quote from: HU16E on 23-August-11, 12:11:43
Have you tried it in the second PCI-E Gen2 slot?
Added: The product description shows Windows Vista compatible. You may need to ask the manufacturer for a driver, or contact MSI Tech Support to have them check in to a possible UEFI version that will make the device compatible. http://support.msi.com/
Yes, I've tried it in both slots and neither one seems to work. I did contact hauppauge about the tuner and they confirmed that the card is compatible in Windows 7 x64. I've been communicating with MSI's tech dept and they decided I should rma the board. I guess I'll have to wait and see what the problem is, now. Thanks, again, for the help.

Media Center PC Tuner

Would someone recommend a tv tuner for my desktop m8400f, that will allow me to watch whatever I'm watching on the internet, such as HULU? My apologies if someone has asked that question this year or last year already. Thx,

Hi,
HP has only USB Tuner from their Shopping Site:
http://www.shopping.hp.com/product/computer/categories/tv_accessories/1/accessories/KS523AA%2523ABA
However, you can purchase PCI TV Tuner Card from their Parts Store that was shipped with other PC Models.
You may want to purchase newest TV Tuner Card from Hauppauge which model HP PCs are shipped with
http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/prods.html
Thank You.
Kiran Talluri
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AGP TV tuner on Mega 651

I have just got hold of a mega 651 with a P4 2.4, I was looking to install an AGP tv tuner such as this one leaving the PCI slot free for a wire less card. Has anybody had any experience of this sort of setup, or would I be best to use a PCI tv tuner, and USB wireless adaptor. I don't need the graphics card features, only really doing it for neatness, and already have a PCI wireless card. Thanks for your time.

Stu's hit it on the head with this. Go for a good USB2 external unit, make sure you read reviews and buy a USB2 as most of the USB1.1 devices can't transfer data quit enough given a picture.
Look for a good remote, good software.
I have a transcend USB2 TV - Box , good picture but remote isn't the best.
reasons to do this
heat in the PC and being an external box it doesn't get as much interference

Tv tuner card into a standard dell pc??

Ive bought an MSI, pci, tv tuner card for a mega pc,from komplett.ie ( part no 120172) not ever hearing of a 'mega pc' before now. Put the card into a pci slot in my dell pc and installed the software on the cd supplied all fine.
Now I find that nothing tunes in and on seeking tech help am told that 'mega pcs' are not the same as pc's. And looking at the manufacturers website the information given on this product is slim to none. Is there a way to get this to work on my pc i.e. any software that will enable this seeing as its a pci card.
Im running win XP sp2 .
Id appretiate any help or advise anyone can offer on this.
Thanks.

welcome to the world of MSI!
although this tuner card (MS8606-40) was designed with the Mega PC in mind (which itself is just a small form factor barebones) it is the same as the MSI TV@nywhere Master card (MS8606-10) but without the added FM radio tuner chip and remote controller, so I imagine it should work with it
you might be better off having a browse through the TV@nywhere forum and seeing if any posts there might help you, first thing i suggest you do is download and install the BETA drivers in my sticky post

KT4V (with lan) and TV Tuner Cards

I have a MSI motherboard model MS6712. This device isn’t compatible with any PCI TV Tuner Card. When I am using a tv-tuner card, after some minutes the computer crashes and the only way is turning off the computer by switching off the power. This problem happened with four tv cards which I have used. My motherboard has been replaced two times with others MS6712 motherboards. But the problem, which doesn’t happen on a MSI MS6385, is still persistent. Drivers and Bios are up to date.
My motherboard has known incompatibilty with any tv tuner card? I think that this problem affects any MS6712 motherboard.
Anyway the problem is surely caused by the hardware or by a defective BIOS.
My Pc:
Motherboard MS-6712 + lan
Athlon XP 2000+
VGA GeForce 4 MX440 - 64MB SDR - APG 4x
Maxtor Diamond Max 9 Plus - 60GB
DVD Rom LiteOn LTD-163
CD-RW Artec WRR-52x
TV Tuner Maxron (Wayjet) with Conexant BT878A and Philips Tuner
Modem 56k Conexant
Power Supply SUNTEK 250W

Or this Power Supply SUNTEK 250W

K8N SLI Platinum with SLI + X-Fi + TV tuner card

has anyone have the above mentioned working?
currently have 1 X 7800gt and a digital tv card. im thinking of getting an x-fi card + another 7800gt
it was a bitch to get the tv card working due to the silicon controller conflict. i can imagine how much bandwidth the x-fi and tv card would consume
so anyone has those combination working, i would really like to know
thanks

I can't tell you exactly what you are looking for, but for what you want to do, an SLI board is not the recommended setup.
And you've pretty much illustrated what I've been saying for some time.
That is why I have what I have in my signature, and the board sitting in a box on my shelf is a K8N Neo4 Platinum.
There may be more Tv cards based on the PCI-e hitting the market in the future. But an SLI setup in conjuction with a nice PCI sound card, and a PCI Tv Tuner is going to be a pretty good challenge. It may work, but you may experience flaky behavior.
If you do get this working, then let me know...

K8N Neo4 Platinum & PCI Tv Card Power Up

Hi,
I have spend a long time searching the forums for the answer to this with out any luck.
I have the above mother board, and a compro DVB300 PCI tv tuner. This card supports power up from s5 and below via the IR remote. I cannot get this to work. Also the feature for auto power up recording from standby (s3).
My question is this...
Does this motherboard support 3.3v suppy to PCI in S3?

It should support PME, but I have no way of actually checking it.
The issue could also be the PSU not giving enough 5v SB.

IMac 24" monitor

Hi, ive had my 24" iMac for several months, absolutly beautiful no problems so far. No where is my question, is it possible to link up an xbox 360 to my iMac display ton run the 360 though. If so i would like to know how. Thanks.
DP_101

drunkpunk,
You'll need a video in adaptor. Here is one possible option: Elgato's EyeTV Hybrid - This is a HD Freeview box (single tuner). For your purposes it also has an S-Video input that you can connect a games console to.
Elgato has other options like the 250 which is a non-Freeview version which, if the console is your main priority, you may wish to consider. Have a look around on their site.
To the best of my knowledge there is no HD-in video card for Macs without a PCIe slot as yet.
Enjoy!
BTW You've posted in the iMac Flat Panel forum and although Apple's naming of these machines/forums is regretable you will do better to post in the more relevant forum in future.
G4 (aka Flat Panel): Intel:
Click image to go to correct forum
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Things to know before (and after) building a Mega 865

As I am seeing a lot of the same questions regarding the Mega 865 I created this document,
29-Oct-2004 Added Northwood benefits
29-Oct-2004 Emphasized NOT to use live update for bios update
Processors in general
Start with the processor, I would say get something around 3 gighz (give or take) which is quite affordeble. If you are going for a prescott, make sure you upgrade your bios to 1.3 (see below).It will run a bit hot (understatement) otherwise.
If going for northwood any version is ok I believe. When I chose mine I let $$$ descide, and the prescott was on sale. (If I would buy a CPU for the Mega again, I would most likely go for a Northwood this time). Before buying your processor make sure your processor is supported, you can find the supported processors here;
http://cweb.msi.com.tw/program/products/slim_pc/slm/pro_slm_cpu_support_detail.php?UID=547&kind=4
Harddisk
As for Harddisk, I would suggest anything goes but take a serial ata since that is becoming the new standard nowadays.
When buying a HD larger than 130 Gig, make sure you install from a Windows XP SP1 CD (or higher) or divide your HD in smaller pieces. Otherwise you will not get a bigger partition than 130 Gigs.
DVD/CDROM
As for DVD/CD player, there is a special thread (see below) where everyone states if their DVD/CD player is working with the mega (there are some issues with some drives in HiFi mode, EVEN if they are MSI)
Mega PC barebones optical drive compatibility list
Memory
As for memory, get at least 512 Mb or 1024 Mb if you want to sit cosy. two sticks of DDR400 (a.k.a 3200) will do. Get a a-brand like Kingston, Samsung or look around on the forums what will work.
Installing Windows XP
Before installing Windows disable your USB devices, if you fail to do this you run the chance of not installing Windows XP on your C: drive (harddisk) and this will cause you trouble later on. After installation is complete you may enable them again.
Prescott processors & full size AGP cards
As for the GPU (Graphics card), this depends on what you are going to do with it. If you wanna try out at showshifting, and viewing get one with integrated TV tuner. Or use the on-board (some people are quite happy with it) and add a separate PCI tv tuner. If you wanna do hefty gaming (Doom3, Far Cry ... etc) you may want to get an better one. I'm quite happy with my Radeon 9800.
Please note; According to MSI, Prescott processors in combination with full-size AGP (add-in) cards are not supported. This is most likely a power issue since the full-size cards use a lot of power to run. Some forum members, stuborn as they are, are running with a full-size card.
Also note that you are installing a full-size card on your own risk in combination with a Prescott processor.
To calculate your estimated power supply take a look here;
http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/
The following graphics cards seem to be working (please add to this thread if you have tested a full-size card with a Prescott processor so I can add it to this document)
Club3D Radeon AIW 9800 PRO
ATI Radeon ALL-IN-WONDER 9600 XT
ATI Radeon 9800 SE
AOPEN Aeolus 5900XT 128 Mb
Wise words from Stu:
If you do not want to take chances, go with a Northwood processor. Apperantly there is little perfomance difference between a Northwood and a Prescott processor, and the Northwood runs slightly cooler too.
Windows XP Service Pack 2 & Bios Update
When installing Windows XP with SP2 make sure you have the latest Bios version loaded (1.3) or install a Microsoft work-around fix. SP2 will not install without it, and you will have a hard time getting your system to work.
The Microsoft work-around fix can be found here;
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;885626
The latest bios version can be downloaded here;
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/bios/bos/spt_bos_detail.php?UID=547&kind=4
To install the latest bios, I would advise against using live-update. Use one of the following options instead;
1) Burn a bootable CD-Rom also containing the bios and flash software, (note some of the original Win98 CD's are bootable to MS-DOS prompt)
2) Create a bootable USB-memory key
--- Download the HP util to create one
--- http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/files/hpcpqdt/us/download/20306.html
--- Then create a bootable floppy on an other system or download from
--- http://www.allbootdisks.com/
--- (I used the Win98SE No ramdrive )
--- Then use the HP tool (on an system with an floppy drive) and enter a: as the source for booting,
--- and use the above created floppy.
--- Then copy the rest of the files from the a:\ drive (like autoexec.bat, config.sys etc) to the memory key.
--- ... and ... voila one bootable USB
--- make sure in the bios that the boot order of the USB key is before the Harddisk and your set to go.
3) Attach a floppy drive to the Mega 865
Bios update failure
Some people still manage to goof-up their bios, by doing the bios update from windows (winflash, live-update). I think there is only one road to travel when this happens, you have to attach a floppy drive to your mega. Then follow the following instructions (Award bios)
http://www.msi.com.tw/html/support/bios/note/boot.htm
Good luck !
PC-Alert
Do not use the PC-Alert version from the MSI website as this does not work together with your Mega 865, instead only use the one on the CD-Rom that was supplied. In general even the supplied PC-Alert has caused a lot of grief (Taking up resources, reboot problems ... etc). If you choose to install PC-Alert, at least remove it from your start-up folder where it is installed. You can always start it manually from the MSI menu in your Start menu.
A good alternative to Pc-Alert is Speedfan, this program should be able to spot your 2 temeperature sensored CPU fans. You can then connect these fans to the CPU temperature sensor and be able to tweak the RPM's according to your need. Speedfan 4.17 can be found here;
http://www.almico.com/speedfan417.exe
Temperatures
As these tiny PC's have very little space, it is quite normal for them to run a bit hot. Do not be alarmed to see CPU temperatures around 60-65 degrees when running on load (depending on your processor of course).
Wireless Network adapter
As for wireless internet, the mega865 has a built-in mini-pci nic (network card). which supports only the 11 Mbps data rate. I think you have to try it out and see how it goes, you can always upgrade to 54 Mbps. I would suggest to get a 54Mbps access point, so you can always upgrade if needed (54Mbps will also work with 11 Mbps) Some forum members have succesfully replaced their Wireless Network adapters with a 54Mbps one. The following network adapters seem to be working;(please add to this thread if you have tested a wireless 54Mbps network adapter so I will add it to this document)
Intel PRO/Wireless BG Network Adapter
6 Channel sound
I recently bought a 5.1 set from Soundblaster. You can connect the 3 connectors to the back of your Mega, then in the Sound util set it up for 5.1 surround sound and you are ready to go. Definately worth it !
Reboot problems
When you run into problems when the Mega reboots suddenly, watch out for a couple of things.
Always check your event/log viewer. It is in your configuration management, but the easiest way to start it is to enter the following in your Run or Command line entry
eventvwr /s
Check if you see red-dots in your application section or system section. Google the problems before dropping them on the forum ! (As most problems are not Mega related IMHO)
One problem I had was caused by BITS 1.5, I had to upgrade to BITS 2.0. (I think it was recently released by Microsoft-Update but I mention it anyway). Bits 1.5 caused my Mega to reboot.
LCD Display / Sound problems
If you have any problems where your front LCD display is not working or your on-board sound is 'missing' first try unplugging your mega from the power outlet (so completely powering down) for 2 minutes. If you still have problems, drop them on this forum.
LCD API ?
Alas, no external programs are available to 'drive' your LCD display. Nor will MSI release an API/Blue print on how to control it.
If you find anything missing here or have additional tips, please add them to this thread and I will update this document.
Good luck with your Mega !
Raymond

rkoppen i salute you
a truly glorious summing up of the main points asked about the Mega 865 in particular, although many points will invariably refer also to the other Mega series
if i can add my tuppence worth, anyone considering going for a powerful graphics card can always shy away from the prescott
i was reading an article just when the prescott core cpus came out and the review basically said that there wasn't really much performance wise between the new prescott and the older Northwood cores.
obviously newer prescotts have higher clock speeds now (3.2? 3.4??), but surely a 2.8ghz CPU is still going to be powerful enough to play the latest games!! (in conjunction with a top graphics card obviously)
is the extra temp increase surely worth the extra couple of hundred mhz?

Things to know before building a Mega 651 (and other things you should know afte

Okay, following hot on the heels of the "things to know" series on Mega 180 and 865, I thought I'd just chip in with this short post on what you should know before splashing out on a nice budget Mega 651
PROCESSOR SUPPORT:
The official list of supported CPUs can be found here:
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/slim_pc/slm/pro_slm_cpu_support_detail.php?UID=431&kind=4
Basically the ageing SiS651 chipset does not support Celeron / P4 cpus above 533mhz, and does NOT support the newer "Prescott" core cpus
Celeron > 400Mhz FSB
P4 Northwood > 533mhz FSB (512kb L2 cache)
MEMORY:
Basically to add to what is listed in the 865 "things to know"; from my own experience of using MSI motherboards in the past, ALWAYS use good quality branded memory, as using cheaper "generic" types inevitably leads to major problems. I know for a fact that Crucial, Kingston and Samsung types work well in MSI motherboards, and you should be okay with other high-end brands like Corsair and Geil.
DRIVERS:
DON'T bother using MSI LiveUpdate! The drivers provided on the cd supplied will work, but if you wish to download the latest drivers, you will find them here:
http://download.sis.com/
Download and install the:
Chipset Software > SiS AGP (Gart) Driver
IGP Graphics Drivers > SiS650 and 740 series
http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/dlac97-2.aspx?lineid=5&famid=12&series=8&Software=True
for Realtek AC97 Audio drivers
http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloads1-3.aspx?lineid=1&famid=3&series=16&Software=True
For Realtek Onboard Network interface
The modem drivers supplied on the CD should work, I really don't know much about them as I have never used them (sorry). Failing that, if you are connected to the internet, Windows Update should be able to find them for you.
OPERATING SYSTEM SUPPORT
MSI state that only Windows XP is supported on Mega 651 (and other Mega barebones). Other versions of Windows (98, ME, 2000) will work provided you have drivers for hardware devices, all of which are provided on the install CD or from the links supplied above.
You'll find that earlier versions of Windows won't have the drivers for the built-in card reader, so you may have to do a "google" search to get them. On my Mega 651, they are listed in Device Manager as "OEI-USB" devices.
If you haven't already got Windows XP then I suggest you consider upgrading at the earliest opportunity; Microsoft themselves no longer support Win 98 / ME and most new software is being designed to work only with Windows XP
Please note that MSI do NOT supply or support drivers for Linux; if you wish to attempt to install Linux on a Mega 651 (or other Mega PC model) you will need to obtain drivers yourself. The remote and LCD display functions will also not be available under Linux, unless some clever bod has developed drivers to do so.
MEGA RADIO AND LCD DISPLAY:
Download the Mega LiveUpdate for Mega 651 from here:
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/software/swr/spt_swr_detail.php?UID=431&kind=4
This will update your MEGA Radio program, update the BlueBird HIFi module firmware and allow you to set a "greeting" displayed on the LCD display when you switch on HiFi mode. Apart from that the LCD display serves NO other purpose in PC mode.
After updating the firmware, you should power off your Mega 651, unplug the mains power cord for a few seconds then reconnect and restart for changes to take place.
OTHER MSI SOFTWARE:
If you REALLY must try out MSI Media Center III, it does work on the Mega 651, but I don't think the remote will work correctly.
Although PCAlert 4 has been reported to work on the Mega 651 - having read the numerous problems most users have, I don't advise installing it. If you do get it to work correctly, unlike on the Mega 180 and 865, it will not display temps or fan speeds on the LCD display, as this feature only works on the 180 and 865, as they use diferent LCD displays.
EXPANSION CARDS:
Same as with other Megas, you get 1 AGP and 1 PCI slot.
The AGP slot only supports up to 4x cards; a faster card will work, but only at 4x.
Space is limited, if you decide to fit a PCI TV tuner card, you will be limited as to which AGP card you can fit. A full length card is probably not recommended, and a model with a slimline (or even passive) heatsink would be best.
A better alternative would be to go for a VGA card with built in TV tuner, such as MSI TV5200-VTDF128 or an ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder card (ATI AIW is supported in WinXP MCE05)
ON-BOARD VGA
The SiS651 chipset is pretty old now, and the on-board SiS650 VGA is not up to playing any of the latest games, as it is only DirectX 7.0 compliant and does not support Hardware Texture & Lighting. However, it is adequate for playing back DVDs as it supports hardware acceleration (in PowerDVD for example), and general video output is decent. The maximum shared video memory size is 64mb.
The Mega 651 does NOT feature TV-out as standard. You can however either buy an AGP video card which includes TV-out feature, or the Mega TV-out card (availble in UK from www.dabs.com). Please note, this card is ONLY for Mega 651, and does NOT work with the 865 model. (The 180 does however, thanks to nforce2 chipset, support TV-out as standard)
ON-BOARD AUDIO
The Realtek ALC650 AC97 audio codec offers 5.1 surround sound (with suitable speakers of course ) as well as SP-DIF for digital output.
The sound quality is quite reasonable; i'm currently listening to MP3s through a set of Creative Inspire 5.1 speakers, and its certainly good enough for me.
There are three audio connectors on the rear, they default to:
GREEN - Front speakers
BLUE - Line In
PINK - Mic
To connect surround sound speakers correctly, you need to use the Realtek audio configuration tool (located in the Taskbar by the clock). Set the speaker config to 4 or 6 channel (5.1) and then click on the boxes to the right to configure the rear ports correctly
GREEN - Front speakers
BLUE - Rear Speakers
PINK - Subwoofer / Centre Speaker
NOTE: If you do decide you want to install a PCI soundcard, be aware that you will lose the Radio function in PC mode, and for audio output in Hi-Fi mode you will need to reconnect audio plugs from your soundcard to onboard sockets. The Hi-Fi mode and Radio only work with the onboard audio.
POWER SUPPLY
All the Mega series barebones come with a 200w PSU. Don't even think about upgrading to a higher output type, as the Mega PSU is a non-standard type. A standard ATX PSU will NOT physically fit inside the Mega case. Besides which, the Mega series have a special connector which powers the Bluebird hi-fi module and on-board sound when the PC is off. And there is a special Molex power connector for the CD/DVD drive, also for that to be used when PC is off.
WINDOWS XP MCE 2005
Media Center 2005 requires a DirectX 8.1 / 9.0 compliant video card with a minimum of 64mb RAM, 128mb RAM is recommended, however, for best performance. So you will need an AGP card, because SiS do not provide any MCE-compatible drivers. The TV@anywhere TV tuner (MS8606-10) and Mega TV Tuner (MS8606-40) are not supported by MCE05, because MCE2005 requires a TV card that will provide a direct MPEG2 stream, which a PVR card such as the Hauppage PVR MCE series can do (as a hardware card, MSIs card are software only and rely on drivers to do MPEG encoding), or a dedicated DVB-T card which receives an MPEG2 signal over the air.
MEGA 651 REMOTE
If you fit an MSI TV@anywhere card to your Mega 651, the Mega remote can be used to control the MSIPVS software, providing you use the remote receiver supplied with the TV@nywhere card. The Mega remote is designed to work natively with the MSI Media Center, and MSI Mega Radio programs only.
If you wish to program the remote to operate other programs within windows, then you will need a program called Girder, and the accompanying MSI plugin, kindly provided by nathan. please see his sticky thread for more info, about his plugin, and how to obtain Girder.
BROKEN HEATSINK MOUNTING CLIPS
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=96148.0
Phew, thats about it. If any other Mega 651 users think I've missed anything out, please feel free to tell me.
For other general hints and tips, look through the "things to know" posts regarding the 865 and 180.
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PROCESSOR SUPPORT:
The official list of supported CPUs can be found here:
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/slim_pc/slm/pro_slm_cpu_support_detail.php?UID=431&kind=4
Basically the ageing SiS651 chipset does not support Celeron / P4 cpus above 533mhz, and does NOT support the newer "Prescott" core cpus
Celeron > 400Mhz FSB
P4 Northwood > 533mhz FSB (512kb L2 cache)
your processor is not supported. please start a new thread if you need help

Live Update, Is it me...?

Hello, the newbie using MSI boards back again. I am wondering if there is something up with the Live Update Site or it something on my end. I have gone to the Live Update site at least 30 times within the last several days and can't seem to get anything downloaded.
The downloads get one-quarter to halfway done and just stop as if thier server is busy or...? I am mainly concerned with the BIOS update for my board.
I have one small issue I need to finger out. I was going to throw this thing back were I got it from. Even after solving my hard drive woes.
I originally had my Audigy card in the 2nd PCI slot below the AGP card. The Audigy would work half the time and the computer would just freeze or just sit in la, la land. I'd have to kill the power and reboot.
Anyway, I cannot use my USB scanner on any of the USB ports. It is Win XP compat and I have cert. drivers. It worked great on the ASUS.
I changed the Audigy to the bottom PCI slot. So far she don't lock or go to la, la land and the sound works all the time so far.
Anything, I don't know that someone could shed some light on? I have had two good days so far and the board seems pretty stable with the exception of the USB scanner.
MSI 645E Max2
P4 2.5GHz@533 Stock HS/Fan
512Mb Crucial PC2700 DDR (2x256)
Western Digital 100Mb/7200rpm HD
Win XP Pro;SP-1
Sound Blaster Audigy Gamer
16X LG DVD-ROM
40x24x40 Lite-On CD-RW
1.44Mb Floppy
Pinnacle PCI TV Tuner
MSI GeForce 4 ti4400;128DDR
Comotron 6 in 1 Memory Card Reader
Meridian 650 Watt Power Supply
Scooby, Scooby Doo.

I am having the same problem. I can't get anything downloaded with Live Update. The download freezes all the time.
I have noticed that you are using Win XP. Does your board come with USB2 ? If so, go check to see if the usb driver is installed or not? If not, install it. It is included in WinXP service pack. WinXp and it's service pack installations won't install it for you automatically, u have to go to Device Manager to install it yourself. Once you are in Device Manager, you'll probably see an exclamation mark next to some device( it's probably your usb controller), right click on it and then choose Update driver or Install driver (don't remember), then choose "Install the software automatically". It will take 1 - 2 minutes for the process to search and install the usb drivers for u. The usb driver installation instruction for WinXP is available in Microsoft's knowledge base in its homepage. Go search for ""usb winxp""

Actiontech router and Windows Media Center on Win8

While waiting for Verizon to solve their network problems and actually get light to the ONT, they left the actiontech router in my house, so I took sometime to get to know it.
It's definitelly something I don't want or need in my network. It's not a bad router if you didn't have a business class product from before (actually it is pretty much the best you can get short of going to hardware firewall routers in the class of Zyxel, Watchguard and some high end, business class, Dells, Ciscos and Netgears).
Well... needless to say, I am running such a router (a Watchguard XTM-26W) and have security subscriptions with them to protect my network. In addition, it offers functionality and discrete access controls otherwise impossible with consumer grade products.
Now, back to the basic subject: I noticed something ominous and wonder if anyone else has noticed it too. I run my TV service through a machine that uses a Ceton 4-HD PCI-E tuner card with a multistream cablecard. It is installed on top of Windows 8 Pro, 64 bit and I use Windows Media Center as my core TV interface (guide and all). The machine is set to go to sleep by itself if no activity (and TV it's the only thing designed and intended to do and the only thong it does) is detected on the tuner for 5 minutes. This works flawlesly and always did while on Comcast service.
Now, the problem: you put the Actiontech router in the network (regardless of whether it's before or after the firewall gateway) and the machine fails to go to sleep. The router introduces some dort of chatter in the networkk that keeps the HDD active and the computer alive in perpetuity. Did anyone notice anything similar? What is your experience with this?
Obviously, I have no intent to keep the Actiontech router in the network under such conditions. For what I know, it is illegal in fact to put out products that send unsolicited traffic through one's network. Not to mention that it is a security risk. Might Verizon re-consider their insistence on deciding what routers to support and what don't or simply drop all support for all the routers since none is ever really needed? They only have the job to deliver a public IP to my equipment and I should be left alone otherwise (according to FCC). Which they otherwise fail to do by putting a piece of equipment that is theirs in the way and mandating that I use it, since 192.168.x.x is NOT a public IP, according to Internet Council.

LeoZ wrote:
Actiontec responded to my inquiry. See below.
It turns out it's another Verizon problem...
"Honestly no idea what would cause the chatter on the network to prevent sleep\stand-by to function.
Verizon would have to review the issue and see what in the code programming would cause this."
Stop the chatter. Put your Media Center hardware behind another firewall. Like I said mine is Linux IP-COP, which constanty drops these trash packets from the single STB I have on the MOCA COAX.
All from the Verizon network router. Almost like a broadcast storm!
This is a Motorola STB, My Cisco had two real IP addresses asigned by DHCP, and they did not do this. I turned in all my STB hardware and ordered a single STB, and was sent Motorola when I had been using Cisco.
wan-1 in into my Linux box and lan-1 is out of it. Then all my harware which includes Media Center PCs are gigabit switches, not exposed to this. I guess you could use another router and not a Linux PC. This STB is going back soon.
Time
Chain
Iface
Proto
Source
Src Port
MAC Address
Destination
Dst Port
22:53:42
RED DROP
wan-1
UDP
169.254.1.135
21302
00:25:f1:3d:d9:37
255.255.255.255
21302
22:53:31
RED DROP
wan-1
UDP
169.254.1.135
21302
00:25:f1:3d:d9:37
255.255.255.255
21302
22:53:22
RED DROP
wan-1
IGMP
192.168.1.1
00:7f:28:5c:07:1b
224.0.0.1
22:53:21
RED DROP
wan-1
UDP
169.254.1.135
21302
00:25:f1:3d:d9:37
255.255.255.255
21302
22:53:11
RED DROP
wan-1
UDP
169.254.1.135
21302
00:25:f1:3d:d9:37
255.255.255.255
21302
22:53:01
RED DROP
wan-1
UDP
169.254.1.135
21302
00:25:f1:3d:d9:37
255.255.255.255
21302
22:52:51
RED DROP
wan-1
UDP
169.254.1.135
21302
00:25:f1:3d:d9:37
255.255.255.255
21302
22:52:41
RED DROP
wan-1
UDP
169.254.1.135
21302
00:25:f1:3d:d9:37
255.255.255.255
21302
22:52:31
RED DROP
wan-1
UDP
169.254.1.135
21302
00:25:f1:3d:d9:37
255.255.255.255
21302
22:52:21
RED DROP
wan-1
UDP
169.254.1.135
21302
00:25:f1:3d:d9:37
255.255.255.255
21302
22:52:11
RED DROP
wan-1
UDP
169.254.1.135
21302
00:25:f1:3d:d9:37
255.255.255.255
21302
22:52:01
RED DROP
wan-1
UDP
169.254.1.135
21302
00:25:f1:3d:d9:37
255.255.255.255
21302
22:51:51
RED DROP
wan-1
UDP
169.254.1.135
21302
00:25:f1:3d:d9:37
255.255.255.255
21302
22:51:41
RED DROP
wan-1
UDP
169.254.1.135
21302
00:25:f1:3d:d9:37
255.255.255.255
21302
22:51:31
RED DROP
wan-1
UDP
169.254.1.135
21302
00:25:f1:3d:d9:37
255.255.255.255
21302
22:51:21
RED DROP
wan-1
UDP
169.254.1.135
21302
00:25:f1:3d:d9:37
255.255.255.255
21302
22:51:17
RED DROP
wan-1
IGMP
192.168.1.1
00:7f:28:5c:07:1b
224.0.0.1
22:51:11
RED DROP
wan-1
UDP
169.254.1.135
21302
00:25:f1:3d:d9:37
255.255.255.255
21302

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