French quotation marks

I'm trying to use Pages '08 in my French classes. I actually find it quite complete: the proofreader is particularly nice.
One must-have feature is the use of French-style quotation marks. Called "guillmets", they look like pairs of less than signs and greater than signs. When running in a French locale, I still get American style quotations. Anyone know how to use the << and >> style?
LC

Funnily (or tragically) enough it seems like Pages does not support les guillemets natively. It does support German Anführungszeichen though, so they should be aware that there is a difference.
Using a US-extended keyboard layout, you can type « using alt+backslash, and you can type » using shiftaltbackslash.

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Send a request to have this feature to the Apple Feedback Team.
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Glad to read that I am not the unique user bored by this feature.
I asked it to Apple's Bugs Hunters since october 2007 (when Pages offered only the curly quotes).
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Please, enhance the "replace quotes" feature to match languages requirements.
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NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE ($202F) + RIGHT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK ($00BB)
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Ok, it is unclear on what is happening here.
Are you saying that when the webclient gets the data that it is not honoring the quote characters? Or the processing of the data buffer is causing issues?
This is what I see the of your example text which is trying to be parse out:
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