From Forms Product Management - Forms/J2EE Article in Oracle Magazine

Oracle Magazine have published a great article explaining how Forms and J2EE are providing complementary technologies. Read how one of our customer has found a good balance in building their business applications.
Link on otn.oracle.com/products/forms
Regards
Grant Ronald
Forms Product Management

I wonder if it is really difficult for Oracle to make easy the switch from Oracle Forms to Jdeveloper... ADF is a pretty nice thing... but it's not so good as Forms are in RAD for databases!
The best project from Oracle I knew about making Forms developers build lightweight web applications was Cherokee Project... That was a pretty nice project that was abandoned in favour of the new ruler... JAVA and Jdev! With the goals of project Cherokee achieved any Oracle Form developer would build that kind of apps... but not with current JDEV 10G!
I really feel that I am a "pl/sql and forms" developer, and that java makes me write too much code for something i would use one code line in forms or sometimes don't need at all to code! CMiC developers think the same! It's really slower to develop for J2EE! I switch from VB and Delphi to Forms cause Forms is the only truth RAD for database applications! And as I said lately in another posts I feel "pression" to move to another place than forms... Pression is several ways, either the new pricetag for AS EE or AS Forms only, either technological pression!
So as explained in "A Forms Break" article (http://www.oracle.com/technology/oramag/oracle/05-jan/o15form.html) the pression is there... They had 20 Forms developers, and now they just have 10, and have 10 Jdev developers! 6 here converted from forms to J2EE... and the others? That's one kind of pression that's made and that's real! They have to move from Forms to J2EE, cause if they don't... they'll get fired one day!
The best of the best "App Server" i know is Oracle AS... but it's also the most expensive one for people that develop database applications. When i create an application in Delphi my customers don't have to pay â¬20000 for licensing any app server... so it's really too much for small and middle size company's.
This article is useful to see and understand the SOD of Oracle in a global strategy and not from one perspective only... like Forms SOD perspective. I think Oracle Forms will end as a core product between 2008 and 2010. Will Oracle melt with success Oracle Forms Developers in Jdev with no pain? I believe that no more than 50% oracle developers will do it... Others will go to other technologies... most of them opensource like XUL or GnuE (Forms,Reports).
So, that's my point of view... and of course it's not the point of view of all Forms developers.
JR

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From Forms Product Management -Forms and Reports Install

Guys,
I just wanted to repost the message about the release of the 10g Forms and Reports installation option.
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If you go to otn.oracle.com/products/forms - it gets the to the Forms "home" page - you will see the papers there and
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I still get the 404 error.
I go to http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/forms/index.html then follow the link titled "Free Oracle Forms Upgrade Workshops" which leads to http://www.oracle.com/go/?&Src=3581382&Act=4
That URL results in a 404 error :-(
PS. I just tested it using MS Internet Explorer and then it seems to work (FireFox gives me the 404 error)

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Grant Ronald
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I don't think you'll get too many replies. I expect most people here are either committed to using Web Forms already (and so don't need this functionality) or else are still in client-server mode (and so don't understand what you asking).
We are just in the process of migrating from Forms4.5 to 9i (I'm in the WebUtil beta) and we are still finding out all sorts of non-obvious things about web-deployment - don't get me started on how awful the whole GIF thing is! So I'm not really qualified to have an opinion about Webstart. I only have the vaguest idea what it does and I'm not sure I want to read up about it just so I can tell you whether to go ahead with it.
What I will say is this:
(1) Anything that makes 9i Forms more like a client-server experience for the users would be a good thing, bceause it would minimise the shock of transition.
(2) Choice is a good thing. Your recent experience of developers' spleen over the removal of client-server should tell you that people respond well to being given options and badly to having them removed.
(3) If I've correctly understood Haris Peco in their second point we could get rid of O9iAS and that would be flipping marvellous for everybody (except possibly the VP in charge of O9iAS Sales :P).
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From Forms Product Management - Using Enterprise Manager

I have just posted a new viewlet which shows the Enterprise Manager features in 10g. If you have not used EM before its a great high level demo which shows you how yuo can manage your Forms applications from a console. For those already familiar with EM you will be able to check out some of the new work we have done in integrating Forms and EM.
If you go to http://otn.oracle.com/products/forms you can see the feature on the news list.
Thanks
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Forms Product Management

Grant
I don't think you'll get too many replies. I expect most people here are either committed to using Web Forms already (and so don't need this functionality) or else are still in client-server mode (and so don't understand what you asking).
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My tuppence ha'penny worth.
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From Forms Product Management - New Diagnostic Document

I've just posted a new document on OTN which goes into great depth on how to debug errors, bugs and performance issues when deploying Forms on the Web.
The document is linked from the news section on http://otn.oracle.com/products/forms or you can look at all of the related papers by clicking to view the 9i papers.
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Grant...can you also tell us if you expect to release a pre-904 webutil release?
And where can we log errors about webutil beta, since it's not officially supported? I'd like to log a bug named in a previous post of me: webutil: webutil_file.file_open_dialog with filter doesn't work as expected

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