From Forms Product Management - Forms Timeout PJC

We have just launched a new timeout PJC which will timeout a Forms sessiosn depending on user inactivity.
Its available at http://otn.oracle.com/products/forms and click on the top news item.
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Grant Ronald
Forms Product Management

More information regrading my previous post....
I tried to launch the timeout example from Netscape and found that JInitiator console (not the "Start OC4J instance" console in my previous post) has the following:
Oracle JInitiator: Version 1.3.1.9
Using JRE version 1.3.1.9 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM
User home directory = C:\Documents and Settings\dmeng
Proxy Configuration: Browser Proxy Configuration
JAR cache enabled
Location: C:\Documents and Settings\dmeng\Oracle Jar Cache
Maximum size: 50 MB
Compression level: 0
c: clear console window
f: finalize objects on finalization queue
g: garbage collect
h: display this help message
l: dump classloader list
m: print memory usage
q: hide console
s: dump system properties
t: dump thread list
x: clear classloader cache
0-5: set trace level to <n>
Loading http://localhost:8888/forms90demo/java/f90all_jinit.jar from JAR cache
java.io.IOException: Could not connect to http://localhost:8888/forms90demos/jars/demo90.jar
     at oracle.jre.protocol.jar.JarCache$CachedJarLoader.download(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.jre.protocol.jar.JarCache$CachedJarLoader.load(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.jre.protocol.jar.JarCache.get(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.jre.protocol.jar.CachedJarURLConnection.connect(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.jre.protocol.jar.CachedJarURLConnection.getJarFile(Unknown Source)
     at sun.misc.URLClassPath$JarLoader.getJarFile(Unknown Source)
     at sun.misc.URLClassPath$JarLoader.<init>(Unknown Source)
     at sun.misc.URLClassPath$2.run(Unknown Source)
     at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
     at sun.misc.URLClassPath.getLoader(Unknown Source)
     at sun.misc.URLClassPath.getLoader(Unknown Source)
     at sun.misc.URLClassPath.getResource(Unknown Source)
     at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)
     at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
     at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
     at sun.plugin.security.PluginClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
     at java.lang.Class.forName(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.ewt.util.FocusUtils.<clinit>(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.ewt.lwAWT.LWComponent.<clinit>(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.ewt.laf.oracle.OracleLookAndFeel._initCommonFixedDefaults(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.ewt.laf.oracle.OracleLookAndFeel._getCommonDefaults(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.ewt.laf.oracle.OracleLookAndFeel._getIndexedDefaults(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.ewt.laf.oracle.OracleLookAndFeel.getDefaults(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.ewt.lwAWT.BufferedApplet.getUIDefaults(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.ewt.lwAWT.BufferedApplet.<init>(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.ewt.swing.JBufferedApplet.<init>(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Main.<init>(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.Class.newInstance0(Native Method)
     at java.lang.Class.newInstance(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletPanel.createApplet(Unknown Source)
     at sun.plugin.AppletViewer.createApplet(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletPanel.runLoader(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletPanel.run(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
WARNING: Unable to cache http://localhost:8888/forms90demos/jars/demo90.jar
java.io.IOException: Could not connect to http://localhost:8888/forms90demos/jars/timeout.jar
     at oracle.jre.protocol.jar.JarCache$CachedJarLoader.download(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.jre.protocol.jar.JarCache$CachedJarLoader.load(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.jre.protocol.jar.JarCache.get(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.jre.protocol.jar.CachedJarURLConnection.connect(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.jre.protocol.jar.CachedJarURLConnection.getJarFile(Unknown Source)
     at sun.misc.URLClassPath$JarLoader.getJarFile(Unknown Source)
     at sun.misc.URLClassPath$JarLoader.<init>(Unknown Source)
     at sun.misc.URLClassPath$2.run(Unknown Source)
     at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
     at sun.misc.URLClassPath.getLoader(Unknown Source)
     at sun.misc.URLClassPath.getLoader(Unknown Source)
     at sun.misc.URLClassPath.getResource(Unknown Source)
     at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)
     at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
     at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
     at sun.plugin.security.PluginClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
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     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
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     at oracle.ewt.util.FocusUtils.<clinit>(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.ewt.lwAWT.LWComponent.<clinit>(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.ewt.laf.oracle.OracleLookAndFeel._initCommonFixedDefaults(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.ewt.laf.oracle.OracleLookAndFeel._getCommonDefaults(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.ewt.laf.oracle.OracleLookAndFeel._getIndexedDefaults(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.ewt.laf.oracle.OracleLookAndFeel.getDefaults(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.ewt.lwAWT.BufferedApplet.getUIDefaults(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.ewt.lwAWT.BufferedApplet.<init>(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.ewt.swing.JBufferedApplet.<init>(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Main.<init>(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.Class.newInstance0(Native Method)
     at java.lang.Class.newInstance(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletPanel.createApplet(Unknown Source)
     at sun.plugin.AppletViewer.createApplet(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletPanel.runLoader(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletPanel.run(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
WARNING: Unable to cache http://localhost:8888/forms90demos/jars/timeout.jar
connectMode=HTTP, native.
Forms Applet version is : 90290
java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: java.io.IOException: open HTTP connection failed.
     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.getBytes(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.access$100(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)
     at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
     at sun.plugin.security.PluginClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
     at java.lang.Class.forName(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.handler.UICommon.instantiate(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.handler.UICommon.onCreate(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.handler.JavaContainer.onCreate(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.onCreateHandler(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.processMessage(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.processSet(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.onMessageReal(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.onMessage(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.sendInitialMessage(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.startRunform(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Main.createRunform(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Main.start(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletPanel.run(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: java.io.IOException: open HTTP connection failed.
     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.getBytes(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.access$100(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)
     at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
     at sun.plugin.security.PluginClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
     at java.lang.Class.forName(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.handler.UICommon.instantiate(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.handler.UICommon.onCreate(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.handler.ButtonItem.onCreate(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.onCreateHandler(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.processMessage(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.processSet(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.onMessageReal(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.onMessage(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.sendInitialMessage(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.startRunform(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Main.createRunform(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Main.start(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletPanel.run(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: java.io.IOException: open HTTP connection failed.
     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.getBytes(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.access$100(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)
     at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
     at sun.plugin.security.PluginClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
     at java.lang.Class.forName(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.handler.UICommon.instantiate(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.handler.UICommon.onCreate(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.handler.ButtonItem.onCreate(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.onCreateHandler(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.processMessage(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.processSet(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.onMessageReal(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.onMessage(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.sendInitialMessage(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Runform.startRunform(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Main.createRunform(Unknown Source)
     at oracle.forms.engine.Main.start(Unknown Source)
     at sun.applet.AppletPanel.run(Unknown Source)
     at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
Can someone tell me why I would have these exceptions?
java.io.IOException: Could not connect to http://localhost:8888/forms90demos/jars/demo90.jar
java.io.IOException: Could not connect to http://localhost:8888/forms90demos/jars/timeout.jar
java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: java.io.IOException: open HTTP connection failed.
Thanks.
De-mei

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I really feel that I am a "pl/sql and forms" developer, and that java makes me write too much code for something i would use one code line in forms or sometimes don't need at all to code! CMiC developers think the same! It's really slower to develop for J2EE! I switch from VB and Delphi to Forms cause Forms is the only truth RAD for database applications! And as I said lately in another posts I feel "pression" to move to another place than forms... Pression is several ways, either the new pricetag for AS EE or AS Forms only, either technological pression!
So as explained in "A Forms Break" article (http://www.oracle.com/technology/oramag/oracle/05-jan/o15form.html) the pression is there... They had 20 Forms developers, and now they just have 10, and have 10 Jdev developers! 6 here converted from forms to J2EE... and the others? That's one kind of pression that's made and that's real! They have to move from Forms to J2EE, cause if they don't... they'll get fired one day!
The best of the best "App Server" i know is Oracle AS... but it's also the most expensive one for people that develop database applications. When i create an application in Delphi my customers don't have to pay â¬20000 for licensing any app server... so it's really too much for small and middle size company's.
This article is useful to see and understand the SOD of Oracle in a global strategy and not from one perspective only... like Forms SOD perspective. I think Oracle Forms will end as a core product between 2008 and 2010. Will Oracle melt with success Oracle Forms Developers in Jdev with no pain? I believe that no more than 50% oracle developers will do it... Others will go to other technologies... most of them opensource like XUL or GnuE (Forms,Reports).
So, that's my point of view... and of course it's not the point of view of all Forms developers.
JR

From Forms Product Management - Calling a Web Service

This weeks Tech Tip on the front page of OTN talks about calling a Web Service from Forms.
Check out
http://otn.oracle.com/products/ias/tech_tips/9iastech_tip.html
Regards
Grant Ronald
Forms Product Management

The java generated provides the following classes
hdrobjuser1 which is a structure consisting of string, string, decimal, string, date, string (the first parameter of the webservice call),
dtlobjuser1 which is a structure consisting of string, string, decimal, string, string, string, decimal
dtlobj1 which is an array of dtlobjuser1 (the second parameter of the webservice call)
The problem is that I have methods to generate and populate both the hdrobjuser1 and dtlobjuser1 classes, but there is no method that I can use to create array elements within the dtlobj1 array

From Forms Product Management - Success of Oracle Forms

The Forms Product Management team are pleased to announce we have posted a new paper on OTN which tells you
about the success of Oracle Forms.
If you want to find out who is using Forms, the kind of applications that are best targetted by Forms, and what is the future
of Oracle Forms then please go to:
http://otn.oracle.com/products/forms/htdocs/Forms_Success/forms_success.html
As, always, we welcome your feedback.
Regards
Grant Ronald
Forms Product Management

Oracle Forms is quit impressive as both a client/server and web-based solution. I have yet to see an application run over the web the way Oracle Forms does. It appears as a client/server application, except it's completely web-based.
That's quite amazing, however, I have found that the rich interface and the sophistication of running Forms over the web comes with a big cost. The 8MB Jinitiator download turns a lot of people off.
What I'm really wondering is if there is anyone out there who is using Oracle Forms as a web solution ?
Thanks for your time.
Best Regards,
Bob Mazzo

From Forms Product Management - New Forms/Reports install option

Oracle Product Management are pleased to announce the release of Forms/Reports Services only download and install option of Oracle Application Server 10g.
This provides an option to the EE to install those components related only to running Forms and Reports.
To download please go to http://otn.oracle.com/software/products/forms/ and please feel free to post any comments.
Regards
Grant Ronald
Forms Product Management

I did create a posting on OTN almost a year ago asking if/when 9iAS light version (forms/reports/graphs only) will be available at a reduced cost.
Oracle now announced (and also proved my claims that it was not a technical but marketing decision not to make forms/reports part of iAS a separate product) the separate download/install option for forms/reports services.
My original posting attracked more than 100 folks (including Shay, Frank and Grant) but was not fruitful to convince Oracle to make forms/reports services a separate product targeted for the small companies, who might not need/use the rest of the 9iAS framework. I believe, seeing one side of the coin and enforcing your opinion by ignoring the cry of many others (including many ODTUG members) is not a wise solution for your existing small business and niche market (using Oracle db and tools for very specific purposes such as simulations, etc on intranets - and operating under strict security protocols not to open up to internet) customers.
Grant and Shay repeatedly wrote on this forum and presented via whitepapers, etc. that forms/reports services are not fading away and it is a complementary solution to JDeveloper and emphasized that JDeveloper is not the replacement of forms/reports services. This news was very good for existing forms/reports developers.
Given that forms/reports services is now separately available, why not making Forms/Reports Designer and Forms/Reports services (only) part of iAS a separate product? as Oracle did the very same with JDeveloper?
regards

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