From Forms Product Mangament - Deploying on the Internet - Refs

As a result of a couple of presentations on Forms at Oracle Open
World and the UK Oracle User Group, we have been asked about
customers who are deploying Forms applications on the internet
or their local networks. We have a couple of references of
customers who are doing this. Please check out (the following
small sample):
http://www.oracle.com/ip/develop/ids/customers/index.html?sonris.
html
http://www.oracle.com/ip/deploy/ias/customers/index.html?limitrad
er.html
http://www.oracle.com/ip/develop/ids/customers/index.html?asistir
.html
http://www.oracle.com/ip/develop/ids/customers/index.html?century
.html
If you would like to let others know about your Forms application
running on the Web then please let us know or email me.
Regards
Grant Ronald
Forms Product Management
[email protected]

For some reason the link as word wrapped and placed a space in
it. If you cut and paste the link and make sure there is no
space then it should be ok.
http://www.oracle.com/ip/develop/ids/customers/index.html?sonris.
html
http://www.oracle.com/ip/deploy/ias/customers/index.html?limitrad
er.html
http://www.oracle.com/ip/develop/ids/customers/index.html?asistir
.html
http://www.oracle.com/ip/develop/ids/customers/index.html?century
.html

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