From Jaguar to Tiger?

Hi, I have a 17in imac G4 with the following specs currently running on os10.2.8
Build 6R73
800 MHz processor Power PC
I've just been given the Tiger DVD upgrade to upgrade my ibook which was running on Panther, but I was wondering whether it would be possible to upgrade my imac straight from Jaguar up to Tiger.

Hi, I've been searching for confirmation that I can upgrade from Jaguar to Tiger, and it looks like this is the place to go...
I am currently running Jaguar 10.2.8 on my 15" flat screen iMac G4 (see specs): (http://download.info.apple.com/AppleSupport_Area/Manuals/specs/imac/L17637CEN.pdf)
I love this Mac, and it still feels and acts brand spanking new, but I need to upgrade. (upgrade = $400 vs. new iMac = $1600.)
Questions:
1)Can I upgrade from Jaguar 10.2.8 to Tiger 10.4; and from iLife 3 to iLife 06; and add an external dvd drive (such as Lightscribe -my built in Pioneer 2x burner is not changeable) without much trouble?
2)Can I delete my OS9 operating system? I have plenty of hard drive space, plus an external Lacie HD, but would like to delete the 0S9 Classic files since I never use them.. is that possible? Safe? What's the best way to do it?
(I purchased my iMac from Apple with 512MB ram installed so I can eventually upgrade to full gig - I will do this as soon as I know if the upgrade is possible.)
15" iMac flat screen G4 Mac OS X (10.2.x) 800 MHz super drive

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Upgrade from Jaguar to Tiger

Can I upgrade directly from Jaguar to Tiger or do I have to upgrade to Panther and them upgrade to Tiger. I was running Tiger, had issues and had to erase hard drive and do a reinstall with Jaguar as I could not load Tiger direct to my G3. Thanks

Hi MLM333!
If you were succesfully running Jaguar 10.2.x, chances are, your Firmware was already updated at some time.
Open your System Profiler.
Click on Hardware.
Do you see Boot ROM Version: 4.1.9f1?
If so, the Firmware is updated.
Also, you wrote "Tiger would not install I guess since there wasn't an earler version of X to upgrade."
Does the Tiger install DVD, that you used to upgrade, look like THIS ONE?
If not, that could be part of your problem. You may have upgrade or machine specific discs.
More info here Tip:Using OS X Install CDs/DVDs On Multiple Macs.
Good Luck!
ali b

Upgrading from jaguar to Tiger on an eMac

i am posting for a friend who was upgrading her eMac from jaguar to Tiger. she followed the directions that she was prompted to follow, got to the end of the installation and, as prompted, did the restart. when the computer rebooted, it never fully restarted. she just got the screen that we all get with the spinning wheel. it spun for about an hour. she rebooted, same thing. obviously something went wrong with the install. where does she go from here?
thanks.

If one of these steps solves the problems she need not go further, but she needs to learn how to backup her data.
1. Try restarting with nothing but Apple keyboard and mouse attached.
2. Try resetting the PRAM:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=2238
3. Try booting off the 10.4 installer DVD if it is a retail version using the Startup Manager:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106178
and go through the language selection screen and go to the Utilities menu and select Disk Utility. In the Disk Utility, select First Aid. Verify disk, and report back any errors to you. Repair permissions as well, and try restarting.
4. If her data is backed up, but she can't boot, she should do step 3 with a repair disk.
5. If repair disk does not work, she should get an external hard disk that is Firewire and see if should install 10.4 on it, and see the contents of the internal drive while booted off it using the aforementioned startup manager to boot. http://www.macsales.com/ sells such hard drives. If she can see the contents of the internal drive, she should backup her information if in step 3 she wasn't backed up. If she can't see it, she should use buy Prosoft Data Rescue to recover information to the external hard drive.
6. If she got usable data from step 5 onto the external hard drive, she should attempt to archive and install 10.4 on the internal drive with the external drive detached, and recover information from the external drive:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301270
7. If she was not able to get usable data on step 5, she should try Alsoft Disk Warrior to repair the internal drive.
If after all that she can't get usable data, I recommend she seek out a data recovery specialist if she didn't backup.
In the future she should always backup before updating, and follow these upgrade tips of mine:
http://www.macmaps.com/upgradefaq.html

Best way to upgrade from Jaguar to Tiger?

I am upgrading from Jaguar 10.2.8 on my G4 DP1.25 machine to Tiger 10.4.3 and would like some advice on how to best do the upgrade before i start. This is my first time doing any real OS upgrade on my mac.
I used to do it all the time on my windows pc box and i'd always reformat the harddrive and start with a clean slate so to speak. That usually yeilded the best results for me. Should I start from scrtach on my mac as well or do the Archive and Install?
I am upgrading to Tiger so I can install latest version of Final Cut Production Suite and be able to take advantage of OS updates - so any thing that will help keep machine running clean and fast will help in the long run.
I have two internal drives and can make plenty of space to do backups if need be.
Thanks for any help you can offer! ~Matt
G4 DP1.25 Mac OS X (10.2.x)

Thanks for the comments thus far "scb".
I don;t have disk warrior or techtool or the like - should i just use the first aid on the install DVD for jaguar or tiger instead?
I have a lot of third-party software and utilities installed in jaguar - most probably aren't compatible with Tiger so would I be better to erase and install after I backup my data? I think i'd rather not have all this stuff get uselessly brought into the new install of Tiger. Fresh and clean is probably better in the long run right?
I'm just worried that i'll end up like a lot of other people in this forum with start-up or other problems after the upgrade. I don't think it will be a problem - the mac is pretty much a stock unit except for some software, an extra 120gb harddrive, and all the RAM is now third-party "Kingston brand" (my original apple ram died 1 week after warranty expired - argggg which caused me 3 days of discussion room surfing and a call to apple tech support to realize that i needed to go buy new RAM). All that to say i just want to be sure i do it right and don't get stuck having to spend many days/hours fixing problems... i'm a bit of a pesimist when it comes to upgrades.
Additional thoughts?

Upgrading from Jaguar to Tiger

Hello,
I'm hoping that some brilliant individual will be able to help me with this "situation." I am trying to upgrade a good family friend's eMac to Tiger from Jaguar 10.2.8 (technically they meet the Leopard requirements, but I think that Tiger would run better with the setup that they currently have). Like a good boy, I want to back up their hard drive before I upgrade. This is where the problems begin. They don't have an external hard drive and the cd/dvd drive is read only for dvds. I brought over my Iomega external drive, but it would not show up when I connected it to their computer, either with firewire or with USB (the system profiler recognized and knew what it was, but I could not access the drive anywhere - I'm not really sure why). The one backup program that I found that still worked with Jaguar could not recognize the external drive either and it would not let me backup to the internal drive. I don't really want to spend forever backing up their stuff onto cds. They have around 18 gigs of stuff on their hard drive, although not all of that needs to be saved. Target disc mode does not work between my model of macbook and the eMac according to Apple (I tried it - turns out they were right). Will the migration assistant work? I've thought of buying an external DVD burner, since I am interested in owning one myself. Is there one out there that will work with this eMac and my macbook? Any other ideas? A flash drive would work, but also would be tedious. I was hoping to be able to let a backup utility do its thing and not have to manually back-up this drive. Anyone?
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At least with the eMac in FW TDM and attached with the correct cable
to the newer Intel-based Mac, you could use the optical drive in the
newer Mac to archive larger size files than with a CD-RW drive in eMac.
Few if any Jaguar-based items would really do all that well in Tiger;
and the few that could be OK (AppleWorks 6, etc) could be extracted
from the Jaguar-based original eMac install-restore disc set through
the use of the utility Pacifist in its demo mode and installed in Tiger.
For that much trouble, if one needed an office-like suite, get NeoOffice.
It does word-like stuff and spreadsheet, & so on; it's a free download.
The external drive may show up in the eMac's Disk Utility; if it does, that
may be a time to see if it can be partitioned and formatted for Mac. If not
already. The newer Macs may offer a different format than the eMac is
comfortable in using; since Intel-based Macs can use different schemes.
You could see if the external drive can be used by the Intel-Mac for moved
content from the FireWire TDM-booted eMac, to be archived on the external.
Anyway, sounds like fun. The easiest thing would be upgrading the eMac RAM.
(In Tiger, after upgrading to 10.4.11, be sure to get all the Java upgrades, the
last Security Update, Quicktime, new browsers, Adobe Shockwave + Flash,
Adobe Reader, and consider a few widgets such as iStat Pro, and DashQuit.
The OnyX version for Tiger is a good utility from Titanium Software, too.
The system discs which shipped with the Intel-based computer won't work in
the PPC computer; nor will other model's specific disc sets. You'd need retail 10.4.
Good luck & happy computing!

Upgrading from Jaguar to Tiger on non dvd FP iMac

From my research of these discussions it seems like it should be possible to use the DVD drive in my wifes 15" powerbook G4 to upgrade my FP700G4iMac to OS 10.4 using something called firewire disk mode and a retail DVD of Tiger? (Seems that Apple no longer exchanges the DVD for CD's?) Can some one point me to a write-up on how to do this or otherwise explain it so I don't screw it up. It's also a mystery to me which upgrade method to use: Simple update vs. archive and install vs. erase and install vs. ??
Thanks,
Rick

Hello.
Connect the two machines with a 6pin-to-6pin Firewire cable (example).
iBook: Insert the Tiger disc
iBook: Go to Apple menu > System Preferences... > Startup Disk > 'Target Disk Mode'. The iBook will restart in Target Mode.
iMac: Power on and hold the Alt ⌥ (Option) key down.
iMac: Select the Tiger Install disc to boot from.
iMac: Run the Installer for an Upgrade.
iMac: When you are at the OS X desktop eject the Install disc.
Disconnect the firewire cable.
iBook: Power down using the power button.
I'd advise backing up all your data before undertaking this.
mrtotes
Message was edited by: mrtotes: Changed Powerbook to iBook

OSX Tiger from Jaguar

I have an imac G3 600Mhz (2001) that is rated for use with up to OSX 10.4.11 (Tiger) and currently runs 10.2.8 - it has the latest firmware (4.1.9) and a DVD drive and is ready. Per other posts, an upgrade from Jaguar to Tiger is possible and will work, however, I'm confused when it comes to picking an appropriate upgrade DVD in the general marketplace, as everything comes with warnings and caveats about compatibility, and pretty much no ad for upgrade DVDs references the imac G3 specifically (nor would I expect them to since G3s never came built with Tiger).
If I see an ad listing OSX 10.4.11 upgrade, can I assume it works, or are there some other parameters that I need to validate (build dates, look for something that works on a G4 etc etc etc)?
Thanks, D
P.S. I can't believe it's that complex, but it seems like it might be. Maybe it's that Apple did sell a generic, retail packaged DVD that would basically upgrade ANYTHING legitimate, but that other resellers are marketing machine-specific (non-retail) copies (kinda like there are OEM system system restore bundles for Intel machines)?

Hello,
Upgrade discs normally upgrade only one version, say 10.3.x to 10.4.x, usually issued to Mac buyers that bought a Mac 2 to 4 weeks before introduction of the later OSX version.
You need a Retail version, not the Gray Discs.
Tiger Requirements...
To use Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, your Macintosh needs:
    * A PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor
    * Built-in FireWire
    * At least 256 MB of RAM (I recommend 1GB minimum)
    * DVD drive (DVD-ROM), Combo (CD-RW/DVD-ROM) or SuperDrive (DVD-R) for installation
    * At least 3 GB of free disk space; 4 GB if you install the XCode 2 Developer Tools (I recommend 20GB minimum)
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1514
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=mac+os+x+tiger+retail+10.4
See Tom's, (Texas Mac Man), great info on where/how to find/get Tiger...
https://discussions.apple.com/message/15305521#15305521
Or Ali Brown's great info on where/how to find/get Tiger...
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=10381710#10381710

Upgrading from Panther to Tiger. Is it worth it?

Hi there. I have been debating this in my head for quite some time. It is worth upgrading from Panther to Tiger? What are the benefits?
Thanks,
dave

Hi dave!
If you do decide to upgrade, Tiger is available for purchase at The Apple Store (US).
Jaguar and Panther, are no longer available directly from the Apple Online Store, as Tiger 10.4.x is the most up to date OS.
A Full Retail Version of the Tiger Install DVD, can be purchased rather inexpensively, at some online Apple retailers, Amazon, eBay, AppleRescue, (as cornelius mentioned) etc.
Be sure not to purchase grey, upgrade or machine specific CDs or DVDs.
Additional info in these links.
Using OS X Install CDs/DVDs On Multiple Macs
What's A Computer Specific Mac OS X Release
Software Update, Upgrade: What's The Difference?
Once Tiger 10.4.x is installed, you can use the PPC 10.4.8 Combo Update, to upgrade to the most up-to-date version.
Tiger System Requirements
Mac Model Compatibility & Requirements For OS X
Additionally,
"Tiger ships on a DVD, but if your Mac doesn’t have a built-in DVD-ROM player, you’ll need CD media. When you buy Mac OS X Tiger, you qualify to purchase Tiger CDs for only $9.95."
Download The Order Form Here. Media Exchange Program
Shop Carefully, Examine All Documentation, And Good Luck!
ali b

.dmg compatabilty Jaguar - Panther - Tiger

A friend using 10.2.8 seems unable to open a dmg, created by me under 10.4.8 using hdutil (error 95, "invalid filesystem" - roughly translated).
Can anybody offer an explanation for this? Is hdutil the problem? Or is there a major difference between Jaguar and Tiger?
Unfortunately don't have the opportunity right now to play around testing, hence the question here first of all.
TIA,
Rich
MacMini Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Hi guys and thanks for the replies.
So if I've interpreted the replies correctly, it sounds like, yes there is a difference (journaling) but it's should be backwards compatible and not necessarily cause a problem?
The image format (hdiutil) is UDZO and I can confirm yes it is journaled. As I'm still not too much the wiser, here's the code I'm using to create the image... maybe you can spot something I'm overlooking (I'm not expert in this sort of thing by long way!)...
Btw, I'm doing this from within another script language (Lingo), hence variables in place of filenames.
Create a blank writeable image:
hdiutil create -srcFolder <...> -format UDRW -volName <...> -attach -ov <...>
A folder is then copied into the image using ditto and window appearence is set via an applescript.
Finally image is converted to read-only:
hdiutil convert <...> -format UDZO -imagekey zlib-level=9 -ov -o <...>
Cheers,
Rich
Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Go back from leopard to tiger

Please, I need support.
How can I do to go back from Leopard to Tiger?
Affter installing Leopard, I have continuosly Kernel panic when shut down my iBook.
Thanks in advanced

Michelle & Randy wrote:
I need to go back to Panther restore discs that came with my imac G5. There are too many important apps that just are not compatable with Leopard ie. Creative suite 2, Freehand MX. I can not print to high res PDF. Nothing happens and I do not have time to wait for all new programs to arrive. As a matter of fact I don't even think there is a leopard freehand verision. Will my restore CD's give me the option to erase and install. Yes I have several firewire drives with my system backed up.
I believe the proper way is to use your Leopard DVD to erase the HD. I would perform a full erase (include freespace), then boot, holding down the "C" key and install Panther. However, at this point you should seriously consider Tiger. I am presuming your PowerBook is a PPC (non-Intel) OS. The commercial Tiger CDs will install on your system. I upgraded my G5 from Panther, which it came with, to Tiger when it came out. Tiger is far superior to Panther.

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Use Migration Assistant http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1554
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Why upgrade from Panther to Tiger on G4 iMac?

I have two iMacs. I use a G5 recently upgraded from Panther to Leopard 10.5.5. My wife has a G4 with Panther 10.3.9.
Now that I have Leopard I have a Tiger install license available.
Are there good reasons to upgrade my wife's G4 to Tiger?
She uses it heavily for e-mail, internet, and MS Word.
She's networked to my G5 through Airport and we use printer sharing and file sharing.
Her G4 works great, but I'm wondering about security issues.
Comments?
-Bob

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Apple is still releasing Security updates for Panther too, isn't it?
I think some of the Panther software is starting to show its age limitations for Internet capabilities, and things like iTunes for all the new iPods, etc. On one hand if you're not actually having problems then my feeling is an old computer best runs software designed for it. On the other hand I am not sure you would lose any functionality if you did upgrade. I think most Panther applications run on Tiger, the system requirements are pretty similar. It's not like when you upgrade to Leopard that you suddenly lose Classic support and it requires (demands?) a faster processor. From my personal perspective upgrading to Leopard really makes a big difference in capabilities both ways and may even be a negative upgrade if you run old software the way I do. Upgrading from Panther to Tiger didn't have any downsides and had several upsides in terms of software is still being brought out for Tiger.
[Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger system requirements|http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301341]
[OS 10.3 Panther requirements|http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106163]

Lost emails going from Panther to Tiger

I just went from Panther to Tiger (after doing an archive and install back to Panther from Tiger a month ago, long story and now a month's worth of my inbox mail is missing. Everything from before Nov 13 imported automatically, and everything from the last couple of days is there, (still on the server I assume) but nothing from Nov 13 to Dec 8. I've looked in the users/me/library/mail folder, but can't find the messages there. If anyone knows where I can find them and import them into Tiger mail, I'd be most grateful!
Thanks,
prokeds
G5 Dual 2.0 GHz Mac OS X (10.4)

I just went from Panther to Tiger (after doing an archive and install back to Panther from Tiger a month ago, long story and now a month's worth of my inbox mail is missing. Everything from before Nov 13 imported automatically, and everything from the last couple of days is there, (still on the server I assume) but nothing from Nov 13 to Dec 8. I've looked in the users/me/library/mail folder, but can't find the messages there. If anyone knows where I can find them and import them into Tiger mail, I'd be most grateful!
Thanks,
prokeds
G5 Dual 2.0 GHz Mac OS X (10.4)

G5 killed by mail when upgrading from Panther to Tiger...HELP!

Hello,
I just upgraded one of our G5s from Panther to Tiger. When I opened mail, it began "importing" all the messages (I assume because of the update to mail.app). Now, the user who's computer I upgraded contained 9GB of mail (!!!) but the G5 had more than enough space for this. When the "importing" completes, mail.app is open and all folders/subfolders, etc. are there, but the program doesn't contain any of the messages from the import. Every folder/subfolder is empty, the inbox is empty, etc. AND, to top it off, the HD of the G5 now has zero free space (while, when before the import, it had at least 40GB of free space). Does anyone know a fix for this? Has this happened before?
Regards,
Kristin.

OPEN LETTER TO THE MAIL 2.0 CODING TEAM. RSVP.
with thanks to DAVID GIMENO GOST, for answering so many people's posts about all the mail 2.0 bugs.
hi guys,
i love all things apple, and i have done for twenty years.
but with respect, your build of mail 2.0 really could be a lot better.
moving my mail from 1.0 on an ibook g3 running os X 10.3.9, over to mail 2.0 on an intel macbook 1.83 running os X 10.4.7 has been a nightmare.
the discussion boards of many mac sites feature countless cases of people making the move from 1.0 to 2.0, with all their e-mails disappearing.
having spent two weeks reading the knowledge forums, and learning about emailchemy, plus all the complications which, even with that third party program, still exist in moving one's mail over from version 1.0 over to 2.0, are both massive and horrendous.
and that's for me, who has twenty years of finding my way around mac bugs.
but this one is the most difficult i've ever seen, as well as being one of the most widespread problems in a FULL VERSION RELEASE of an apple program, which apple has done nothing to resolve during the six months in which this problem has been widespread in the mac community worldwide.
so thank god for DAVID GIMENO GOST !
i'm amazed that apple still hasn't come up with a patch for moving mail from 1.0 to 2.0.
even now, while i've finally got all my mail back today, 95% is showing as unread, due to the last obstacles in the process, which i can no longer face solving.
i've also lost hundreds of red mail flags during the transfer :o(.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, guys:
we shouldn't need to be buying third party software to move our e-mails from apple mail 1.0 up to apple mail 2.0, and even then be faced by massive hurdles to overcome, which take weeks for someone who at least has SOME idea of what he's doing.
i pity all the people who read the numerous forum posts about how difficult it is to transfer their mail from 1.0 to 2.0, and simply give up on the spot, and have to start their e-mail history TODAY, unable to access their previous e-mail again - potentially now for ever.
because the ironic joke is that we can't even have an access copy of mail 1.0 on our macs to read our old e-mails, unless we hack that program out of the 10.3 cd installation set, which the gurus on your own web site recommend us NOT to do !
so what are we supposed to do, to access our old e-mail, which we can't open, even though YES, it is in our mail folder, and YES, we did full rebuilds of every mail folder, and YES, we trashed our mail preferences first.
e-mail is now at the very center of the average mac user's digital life.
a user's most important program should not require countless hours scrolling through the astonishing number of problems within mail 2.0, which the apple.com discussion boards evidence, with new problems being added every day.
please sort this out, and build a patch, for the sanity of the many people who love apple, but who are unable to access any of their old e-mails.
because i wouldn't wish the last fortnight on anyone else.
RSVP, APPLE.
with best wishes to everyone on the infinity loop,
michael thorne
london, england
[email protected]
ps: if you're a mac user who has been affected by the mail 2.0 disappearing bug, please post a reply to this message, and send me an e-mail to: [email protected], so that we can draw apple's increasing attention to it. thanks.
MacBook1. 1.83 GHz. 512 MB. Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Migrate from Panther to Tiger - Business environment - Is it worth it?

Hi,
I would like to find out from you 'out there' what are the pro's and con's upgrading and migrating 30 user's from Panther to Tiger that use Microsoft Office, Adobe Creative Suite 1 (CS1), Quark 6.1?
What benefits, if any, can Tiger provide the end user in a working environment?
These are iMac G5 1.6GHz, Dual 2.0GHz G5 and PowerBook users!
Any feedback is Thank'd in Advance!!!

First, I would urge you to read the following: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=707854&#707854. Second, check out Apple's website on OS X and explore its content to determine if there are features in Tiger that you feel would be of sufficient benefit to your installation to warrant the upgrade. Consider also the minimal hardware requirements (especially video card requirements) and whether you would need to invest in hardware upgrades. Review the following items on compatible and incompatible software to determine what software upgrades will be required.
http://www.macintouch.com/tigercompat.html
http://www.macintouch.com/tigerreview/incompatibility.html
Last, review the following on the installation process:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=607363&#607363
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