Frontier AlphaTrack and Novation ReMOTE both unusable with Logic Express 8

After reading all the hype about Logic 8 I went and picked up a copy of Express to see how easy it was to learn -- and indeed, it's MUCH easier than 7 and the interface is absolutely beautiful. It's exactly the way I would have designed it, both in layout and aesthetics.
However, I'm a bit disappointed that I can't use my brand-new Novation ReMote 25SL with Logic. During the first launch, the Automap server seemed to launch and quit in an endless loop until I force quit it. Logic doesn't seem to properly recognize it either as a controller or as a MIDI keyboard.
Likewise, my Frontier Alphatrack unit, which is supposed to be supported by Logic 8, doesn't really do anything -- it displays a few random parameters, nothing responds properly.
I've been using Mackie Tracktion 3 and Reason 4 with these controllers quite successfully. I'm a little frustrated as this means I can't really get started to use Logic without a lot of mousing, and my carpal tunnel tends to protest when I do that.
One fix I read online involved hacking files in Logic 8 to remove the AlphaTrack support in order to get the Novation keyboard to work -- but I'm not going that far!
Frontier, for their part, say they have provided all the data to Apple to allow them to implement support -- nearly a year ago actually -- but their feeling is that it got lost in the race to release Leopard and Logic 8. I'm not sure about Novation but they might need to update their software and firmware for Leopard / Logic.
Is anyone else having the same experience? Any success / frustration / news you'd care to share?
cheers and thanks in advance --

Follow-up research:
Apparently there is a driver conflict between the AlphaTrack and the ReMOTE. So far I have got the ReMOTE working - sort of - in Logic using the following method which was published at Novation's Answerbase:
1. disconnect the alphatrack.
2. launch Logic and then turn on the ReMOTE SL.
3. Go into the Environment window, and add a Monitor Object. Connect it to the Remote SL's ports 2 and 3.
So far, this seems to at least get MIDI note input into Logic, but the Automap function seems a bit sketchy so far. This will depend on Novation updating Automap and the SL's firmware for Logic 8.
As noted previously, there doesn't seem to be any AlphaTrack support in Logic 8 yet and it's up to Apple to make it work. They do support their TranzPort product, so with luck there'll be support in the next update.
I'd really love to use BOTH control surfaces with Logic simultaneously -- the AlphaTrack with the Mixer and plugins, the ReMOTE with Software Instruments. I suppose it might take some interesting mapping but this doesn't seem like that strange a setup -- there are plenty of "mixer surfaces" like the M-Audio one, and the Novation Automap stuff is quite popular....

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Preface: I have to apologize in advance if this seems somewhat confusing. I'm sure some of the terms I'm using are just plain wrong - I'm somewhat of a n00b.
I have a Novation Remote 25SL configured to use AutoMap with Logic Pro 8 from Novation's website and most things are working well. It's confusing at times because sometimes I find it hard to tell what mode the keyboard is in, but that's ok - it's the least of my worries. Based on what I've seen through reading the manuals and my own experimentation, I have a couple of questions:
- Despite what the guy at the store told me, I can't seem to figure out how to select different kits from within the SL. For example, if I have a garageband instrument selected on a track - can I use the data/select knob on the SL as it is now, or do I have to program that somewhere, somehow? Or if I have Ultrabeat on a track, can I use the knob to select the different kits/banks?
- Is there a way to control non-Apple AU plugins like the rest of those which ship with Logic? All the sexy looking ones like Ringshifter, Compressor, Overdrive, etc. It seems odd that Remote will go into Mixer Automap mode and be able to control the certain portions of the instruments, but not the plugins that are automatically loaded into the channel strip when the instrument is loaded.
- I have a 25 key Remote. In Ultrabeat, I find the key maps miss a chunk of notes between where the drum pads end and where the keyboard starts (or vice-verse). Is there a way to get it so each key has a mapping? 25 keys in Ultrabeat, 25 keys on the board plus 8 drum pads - seems like there's lots of room.
Thanks in advance for all your feedback.
Message was edited by: Jason Lixfeld

Follow-up research:
Apparently there is a driver conflict between the AlphaTrack and the ReMOTE. So far I have got the ReMOTE working - sort of - in Logic using the following method which was published at Novation's Answerbase:
1. disconnect the alphatrack.
2. launch Logic and then turn on the ReMOTE SL.
3. Go into the Environment window, and add a Monitor Object. Connect it to the Remote SL's ports 2 and 3.
So far, this seems to at least get MIDI note input into Logic, but the Automap function seems a bit sketchy so far. This will depend on Novation updating Automap and the SL's firmware for Logic 8.
As noted previously, there doesn't seem to be any AlphaTrack support in Logic 8 yet and it's up to Apple to make it work. They do support their TranzPort product, so with luck there'll be support in the next update.
I'd really love to use BOTH control surfaces with Logic simultaneously -- the AlphaTrack with the Mixer and plugins, the ReMOTE with Software Instruments. I suppose it might take some interesting mapping but this doesn't seem like that strange a setup -- there are plenty of "mixer surfaces" like the M-Audio one, and the Novation Automap stuff is quite popular....

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I have just bought an iMac (with Logic express 9) along with a focusrite saffire pro 14 sound interface.
i'm having difficulties getting a line in and out of the focusrite and into logic.
I currently have passive monitors plugged into an amp, which is then plugged into the headphone jack on the iMac, the focusrite is connected via firewire.
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Hi,
there are some points where the big bear trap might have snapped onto your feet
First: You said you have selected the focusrite as the core audio input device in Logic. This is okay. But have you selected the correct inputs for the audio tracks you are recording to? You focusrite has 4 possible line inputs (1 and 2 are combined on the front in the middle of the XLR jacks, which are also inputs 1 and 2 for mics, and 3 and 4 are on the back).
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Second: Given there's a signal coming into Logic, where does it go from there? The focusrite has 4 outputs, and you should connect your amp&speakers to them. If your amp&speakers are still connected to your iMac's headphone jack, you must select your Mac's "built in output" as the output device in Logic. The OS X preference pane has nothing to do with Logic's preferences. Don't confuse them.
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GO AHEAD. SEE IF YOU CAN KEEP YOURSELF FROM THROWING UP WHEN YOU HIT THAT PURCHASE BUTTON ON THE TWO PROGRAMS THEY REDUCED IN PRICE.
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SORRY FOR THE RANT, BUT I AM IN SHOCK AFTER THE LAST TWO HOURS OF TRYING TO GET THEM TO SEE HOW WRONG THIS POLICY IS.
WE HAVE BEEN SHAFTED, BIG TIME. IN THIS ECONOMY, THAT IS ONE HUGE INSULT IMHO.
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