Full backup of Mac HD hangs up

If you take this post down, claiming that it’s only a request for an improvement, I might work up the nerve to read it on YouTube. How, exactly, am I supposed to fully back up and restore an -entire- Mac Mini hard drive, to and from an external FAT32 Passport USB drive, under OS X 10.4.11?
It doesn't work. Even after enabling and logging back in as the root user, a straight drag and drop copy hangs up on permissions. Even if I managed to fix all the permissions with Disk Utility, somewhere within the thousands of files, and/or apply read-write permissions to all files via Get Info, copy still hangs up on java aliases and *.sh files, claiming that the Passport drive cannot accept them. Why? It's just ones and zeros. Did the Passport drive clench its knees together and say no? Nor can I use Disk Utility to make an image file of the Mac hard drive. It hangs up claiming that a resource is busy. Clenching its knees together, no doubt. Nor can I use “Time Machine”. Apple was so kind and thoughtful as to remove from the market any Time Machine support it may have had for PowerPC in 10.5, if any, when it brought out Snow Leopard.
The ability of OS X to take a *.dmg file, open it and allow the application to simply be dropped into the HD is beautiful and elegant. Especially compared to the pain of having to verify that all the necessary mother and daughter module versions are present with Linux. But what possessed Apple to let OS X loose on the public without providing a dead easy and reliable way to back up and restore a hard drive? Was it the “Here’s my card; call me when you’re ready to compromise” syndrome?
I may have been mystified by the workings of that old IBM 600-series vacuum tube computer with the rotating magnetic drum memory, but I’m pretty sure that the operators could dump and load the operating system and applications using punch cards. What was Apple thinking when it declined to provide such a basic and necessary function? After losing 2/3 of my hard drive to incomplete and misleading Mac Help instructions on setting up a RAID system, I’d really like to back up the remaining portion, repartition the drive and start over. But nooo, that would be way too simple.
What Apple did well, it did very well. But what it neglected is every bit as insomnia-, ulcer-, and high BP-friendly as anything Microsoft ever did. What could have been so hard about providing basic backup and restore functions that it took until OS X 10.5 to figure out? I seem to remember that MS-DOS could do that. Not to mention earlier machines using punch cards and paper tape.
The least Apple could do, if it can’t tell us how to perform the maneuver successfully, is fix that oversight and provide an appropriate update to 10.4.

Thanks, Thomas. It should say something that I get my understanding of the whole MAC process from MAC Help. I did not think in terms of a bootable clone, but simple mass dump that could be restored by booting from the installation disk and then recopying the dump to the Mac HD. I haven't looked at this problem in a couple of years, and forgot to look for SuperDuper in my apps. Thanks for reminding me. The fact that I could follow incomplete MAC Help information on setting up a RAID system, and permanently make a partition of my Mac HD unmountable without erasing and reformatting the whole HD, put me off for a long time. I bought an old, early version of Retrospect once, and I don't recall that it worked very well.
PowerPC (Motorola 68000-series uP) code is written in bits, bytes, words and double words to be stored in memory. So long as you have a suitable conversion process, it doesn't matter to what medium or format you dump either the memory or HD. I don't think anyone would want to, but you could copy and recover everything on a HD to and from old-fashioned inefficient 7-track binary coded decimal magnetic tape with a suitable conversion process. The FAT32 and MAC Journaled formats encode the same information with different headers, byte order, checksums, etc. That's why I can download an application disk image file (*.dmg) to my PC, copy it to a flash drive, and copy that to my MAC, and expect it to unpack the app correctly.
If one cannot copy Mac HD information to FAT32, it's only because the Apple OS X creators did not bother to make the appropriate conversion process available to users. As I recall it, this way of thinking advanced as computers changed from professional tools to consumer toys. Basic and necessary tools got dropped in favor of new and improved flashy bells and whistles to chum for consumer dollars. Even scientific applications have suffered on occasion.
In the old mainframe days, no computer company could have gotten away with failing to provide for a way to back up the system. They simply crashed too often, even from things like power company transients and insects in the machine. I have long suspected that Apple made some kind of under the table deals with developers to let them make and sell the system tools that Apple should have provided. This has not been to our benefit.

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    Since they're from a different Mac, you can view them via the instructions in item 17 of the Frequently Asked Questions post at the top of this forum, and use the procedure in item 12 to delete individual backups.

  • Time Machine missing full backups - Need help.

    I was going to restore my Imac from Time Machine, and when I went to restore, its last full backup was from December 25, 2009 and nothing from 2010. I had checked it recently and saw backups images from January. Is there anything i can do? If i restore from the 25th, will my images from January February still be there?

    Are you doing a full system restore, booting from your Leopard Install disc?
    If not, please explain just what you're doing.
    If so, there are two possibilities:
    Did you rename or replace your internal HD after 12/25? If so, those are treated as two separate disks; thus there may be two drives in the "pop-up menu" above the list of dates. See item (f) in question #14 of the Frequently Asked Questions *User Tip,* also at the top of this forum.
    Have you excluded any System files from Time Machine backups? If so, you cannot do a full system restore (since you didn't back up the entire system).
    Where are your backups, and why are you restoring? If your Mac is still functional, try looking at your backups with the Browse option, per #17 of the FAQ Tip, to see just what's there.

  • Time Machine Deleted Files From A Non-Full Backup?

    OK... I just noticed something strange... I had some movie files that I deleted sometime yesterday (don't need them anymore)... just now, I wanted to see to retrieve one of them with TM and they're gone!
    My backup drive is nowhere near full and TM didn't warn me about deleting anything... looking at my backups, I noticed that I only have backups for yesterday at 8:03AM and from 8:09PM (and on)... I'm guessing that's the case because anything before 8:09PM is now more than 24 hrs old... hence, it's 'thinned out'... I also noticed that I only have my initial backup from Friday... not the several it made afterwards... and that backup from Friday is missing some data I had that was captured by the later backups...
    What's going on here? Seems to me that it should have all of my stuff, no?

    jdelima wrote:
    If you have all of the hourly data essentially versioned and incorporated into the daily, then Joe wants to restore from 3 days ago, if he has a file there that he has changed every single hour for that particular day, then he has 24 possible files to restore! It becomes a versioning nightmare. Though my example is extreme it's possible.
    Yeah, but that is what computers are good at, though. You can even put a simple UI on this, where the most recent version (the last edited version before its untimely deletion) is the only thing you see, unless you want to delve deeper into the depths of versions of the file.
    Also consider what is currently done for backups. People manually, or to a schedule, do point in time backups. Not as frequently as time machine, but it still happens. They have the exact same issues, with the exception that TM may have people becoming relaxed about their data, falsely believing it always going to be in a backup set somewhere.
    Yeah, point-in-time backups are always an issue, because they are just a snapshot, and not a journal of things done to change a file, so you can't recover something if it was never in a point-in-time backup.
    Sure it has it's flaws, but overall it's better there than not.
    I totally agree with that. Getting people to use some backup (even if flawed) is way better than the dismal state of backups for end users. I guess I'm just advocating for improving even further the state of backups, to a point where you can actually rely on them 99.999%.
    In case anyone is interested, I have been participating in an Open Source backup project "Box Backup" for the last few years. It supports the keeping of deleted files as long as the backup server has space left. It also solves another TM problem, in that it backs up only what changed in a large file (like a Parallels virtual Disk), so you don't need to do full backups of every file every time it changes. It has many other features as well, such as network backups, encrypted backups, and multiple platform support (Windows, Mac, Linux, and more).
    Go to http://www.boxbackup.org/ to check it out.
    This, however is not a solution (yet) for the average Joe to use. It requires a server on which to run the backup server (which could be a Mac), and some setup, and use of Terminal.app, etc. But it does solve many of the issues with TM.
    Thanks,
    Per

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