Full colour translation of Pantone: CS vs Pantone

Hi there,
I never got around to ask this question. Most of you have noticed that ID, AI and PS give different full colour translations of a Pantone colour. And then there's Pantone who says something completely different on their colour fans. Now who's right, and for CS which of the 3 is the most accurate? I'm working with CS 5.5 Master, my Pantone colour fans are 4th Edition, 2nd printing.
TIA.

ID, AI and PS give different full colour translations of a Pantone colour
If you are looking at solid ink libraries then you have to compare the Lab values, which do match between the three programs as long as you are comparing the same libraries.
If you are converting the Lab swatch values to CMYK or RGB the results depend on the document's profile, or the current working color spaces if there's no document profile.
So if you look at Photoshop's Color Picker and pick Pantone Purple, you get different CMYK or RGB values depending on the current Color Setting's Working Spaces and conversion options. Below is US SWOP Coated/AdobeRGB vs. Japan Coated/sRGB—note the Lab values don't change and are the same values you would get in ID or AI.
US SWOP Coated CMYK, AdobeRGB
Japan Coated CMYK, sRGB
Pantone has recommended CMYK translations, but the values would have to be for one particular set of printing conditions. No translation would work for Pantone Purple because that color is out of the CMYK gamut.
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