Functional global reach

Hi all.
Have Main app and 4 sub-apps. Each of the 4 sub-apps has functional global (or action engine) to which it writes and reads a cluster of app specific data.
The idea was that using a functional global for each app then data could be passed between them all and the Main app.
For example, I want to be able to drop the FG of sub-app1 on the BD of sub-app2 and read the cluster of data. At the same time sub-app1 would be updating its FG on its own BD.
This does not seem to be working. For example the FG1 is being updated by sub-app1 BUT the instance of FG1 on the sub-app2 BD is empty.
None of the FG's is reentrant; therefore there should only ever be one instance of each FG, correct? There is only one(1) instance of each FG on disk. Each sub-app and FG is located in a separate LV Project.
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MarcoMauri wrote:
I may be wrong but since the FG is running in different projects, i.e. different application instances, it cannot be used to exchange data.
In any case that are other way to do this, for example DataSocket....
Marco
I believe you are correct.
While both VIs are running in the two project go to the hiarchy screen and hit "ctrl-a" to show all.
You will see that the two FG are running is unique contexts. So this is the equivelent of one app talking to anothe app on the same machine or across PCs, so Datasockets, TCP/IP, VI server...
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Hello. I'm using Teststand and have been got stuck on a problem now.
Whenever I communicate to a LabVIEW VI which is activated as a functional global, I purposely displayed the LabVIEW VI on front pannel to make sure the data communication.
However once I released the check mark 'Show VI front pannel when called' , the data transmission including receiving vanished. As a matter of fact, always the numeric data resturns ' 0 '.
So the data communication must be transacted with a shift resgister function at each step in Teststand, so it always provides a command to the functional global VI for an e-num item selector.
Therefore it looks the shift register function doesn't work at the point anymore in the functional global VI.
Otherwise as long as I suspend the VI as a display, checking on the box 'Show VI front pannel when called' , I exactly can make sure the data communication , receiving the command and returning the data.
Have you heard that kind of unusal problem before?
Do you think it happened due to data communication or just simply Teststand applicational error?
If it has some useful information, I try to fix them.
Thank you.
Noriyuki
I'm not sure about the current versions of TestStand but in previous versions you had the possibility to preload certain test steps or initializer VIs. TestStand made sure to keep them in memory for the entire duration of the particular test sequence. You create such an initializer VI and call your init method in there and mark that step as preload. On loading the sequence or initializing it your step gets called and stays in memory for the entire duration. I would be surprised if TestStand doesn't support this anymore.
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Do I need to use a semaphore when reading/writing a functional global from reentrant VIs?

I have a program that spawns multiple reentrant VIs running simultaneously. These VIs write their status to a functional global. The VI that monitors them periodically polls this global to check out how they're doing and takes action based on their collective status. (BTW, I'll mention that this monitoring VI is NOT the parent that spawned the reentrants, just in case this might affect memory management as it pertains to my question.)
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Thanks Uwe,
This is a good hunch. However, functional globals typically run at "subroutine" priority. With this priority, it is not possible to select a specific execution system; it is always "same as caller."
I will try your suggestion by switching to "time-critical" priority. However, I do not know if this could lead to a different set of issues (non-determinism?). It will probably take a little while to hear back from my guys on whether this makes a difference or not, because the error is sporadic, and sometimes doesn't come along for quite a while.
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Functional Global Variable in the CLAD sample Exam

Hello,
A question in the CLAD sample exam #2 keeps puzzling me. It's question number 32 about FGVs:
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Topic: Functional Global Variables
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Well, inlining requires reentrant. Therefore, the best answer should technically be C. This looks like one of those rejected/retired questions since it isn't quite right and/or left up to too much interpretation.
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How to use functional global with a large amount of variables?

Hi all,
I'm currently developping a LV program which control and acquired data from a device. Up to now I used global variables ( very conveniente to use for experimental parameters). But now my program is become to be too large and I have too much "global" variables to continue to use a global.vi.
I'm wondering if functional global can help me. If someone has an exemple of how use functional global with a large amount of variables...
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I agree with Ben.
Using queues is better than a number of Globals or Action Engines (Functional Globals). If you need to pass data to a sub-vi, you can simply wire the queue out to a queue control of a sub-vi, or a reference. See attached example of passing data to a sub-vi using a queue. The example is an extremely simple, undocumented tid-bit of code that sends the loop count to the consumer VI.
Run the main program called QueueProducer.vi.
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What's wrong with a "regular" global in this case? AND WIl ActiveX objects stored in functional globals remain valid (when used in an executable)?

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I am not sure if I follow you completely on your work-around.
Everything I have to say on this topic is based on obesrvations and threads I have read on Info-LabVIEW. Therefore it is subject to corecttion by those who know better.
LV is smart enough to know when "something" that had been opened, can be closed. It is not perfect.
If for instance you open a VISA refnum and pass the refnum to a LV2 AS A REFNUM the refnum in the LV2 stay alive as long as the VI's are running.
If you start another VI that uses the LV2 to fetch the refnum, it should get a valid ref as long as it starts before the first goes idle.
You then be able to work with refnum usign the VI launched second as long as stays active.
I often create action engine that can be invoked where required throughout an application. If the action engines get a ref in one state (like init) and use it another, I will generally write a "tester" that calls the action engine action to test the engine. In this case, my "tester" stays live and it keeps the ref's fresh.
I suspect if you tried to trick LV you could. If you type cast the ref nums to I32 and stored those in a LV2, I could see how LV could loose track of the resource sharing, but that is something I would avoid.
So I encourage you to do some experimenting with keeping track of who's running when to see if your work-around will work.
If you think you understand it better than I explained it, please post.
Trying to help,
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Multiple copies of functional global using vi references

I have several producers aquiring data into a functional global (one functional global per producer). These functional globals are identical except for the name. Would it work to have only one functional global VI and obtain a separate reference for each producer? The matching consumer would also use the proper reference to consume the data.
The functional global contains an array of the data which must be parsed by the consumer. It is possible that the array of data may not contain a complete set of data on a single "store" operation by the producer. The consumer, of course is written to check for a complete data record before completing processing on the record.
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Les__Bartel wrote:
tst wrote:
Regardless of whether there is a better way, the answer to the question is yes. The FGV needs to be reentrant and the reference you open needs to be reentrant too and then you can use the CBR node to run the specific copy of the FGV.
I thought a reentrant vi would not maintain the state of the uninitialized shift register from one call to the next.
A reentrant VI will maintain the state of its uninitialized shift registers. However, you need to be really careful how you do this. First of all, you need to make sure it is set to Preallocate Clones. What will happen in this situation is that each different place you call that subVI will each be a different clone. This means that each call will have its own data. The problem with this is that you can't share the data across multiple instances and therefore multiple loops. If you don't believe me, go play with the Mean Point By Point VI.
So what happens if you set it to shared clones? A big freakin' mess. You will have no control over which clone will be called where and there will be some major data corruption.
This is why FGVs are almost always non-reentrant.
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Software timing - Functional Global?

I was reading NI Intermediate manual to prepare for the CLD exam, and noticed that they used Functional global variable in combination with timed loop for the software timing. Also, the error handling was implemented using functional global.
However, I was reading in one post( not this forum) that the functional global is obsolete, can anyone shed any light on this issue, why would the functional global be obsolete: and if it is, what are acceptable design for software timing.
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Cory K wrote:
I dont see why a global would be obsolete.
There are some instances when using a global variable is the best option, especially in cases when a resource will be used on several different computers.
A functional global variable isn't the same thing as a global variable. A functional global variable is what was used before global variables were introduced in LabVIEW 3. It is the heart of an Action Engine.
As for their obsolesence... Hah! That's all I have to say on that.
As to the original post: I'm a tad suspicious. What kind of software timing and error handling is being done with a functional global variable? Can you post the code?

Functional global set as reentrant vi in CLD sample?

In the CLD atm sample question attached. It set its functional global as a reentrant vi...
Now let me get this right , a non reentrant vi, no matter how many times it's called, stores its data into one location. So a functional global should be a nonreentrant vi so the functional global can SET the same data in the same place, and GET the same data in the same place.
Whereas a nonreentrant vi creates clones everytime it is called, and each clone stores a different set of data in a different place. So a functional global should not be a reentrant vi because it cannot retrieve the same copy of data; there are many different data sets stored in different places, the functional global would not know which data set to retrieve.
But how come this CLD sample set its functional global as reentrant vi and it works???
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richjoh wrote:
In your VI code "Shared clone is selected"
Below are past from the LV manual --
"Memory Usage - Only allocates clone VIs for the maximum number of simultaneous calls to the reentrant VI. Decreases memory usage..."
"Execution Speed - Creates clone VIs on demand. Slightly decreases execution speed and speed may vary per call.."
...and Preallocate is versa of above.
Yes the only reason to use Reentrant in any LV example is to keep separate copies in memory. This author uses the reentrant VI to track 3 different transaction in his example (looks like an banking ATM, I have not run it as yet). The author reentrant is for "deposit", "withdrawal" and "pin entry". Ctrl+F, the VI is used in 4 instances, one of them is to Get current action, the other 3 are Set.
IMHO, the example is overblown. Wonder how long it took the author to create it?
The reason it works is all access is sequential.
Overblown, yes. Reminds of the kid trying to show-off by climbing over the fence to pose next to the lion's cage. It will bite them eventually.
Keep It Simple Sir has clearly bee violated.
I will watch for someone who can explain WHY that was a good decision unless they felt there would 500 of these ATM GUIs running in parallel.
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Functional Global Variable on Hold

Hello everyone,
I understood, by reading threads on the forum, that a call to a Functional Global Variable will block its execution if the FGV is already being accessed by another VI, correct? Is there any other way it would block, apart from the stated?
The motive of the question is that I have one FGV (non-reentrant) that is read by 8 subVIs concurrently (they are, actualy, the same vi, but configured to reentrant) and whose access time varies, strangely, based on the number of subvis running.
When less than 5 VIs are trying to access the FGV, the execution is blocked (I assumed it, because when the FGV is disabled and replaced by a constant there is no problem with the execution) and the access lasts at least 50 ms; if this number is between 5 and 8, the execution is done much faster. My first guess was that the FGV hasn't been initialized until the fifth subVi is called, but I don't know how to check that.
I can figure that there is something wrong with the FGV, but can't put my finger on it. Any ideas?
Thank you in advance for any help.
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Thank you for your response, Ben
I'll try to explaing the problem better with the images that follow.
I have 8 concurrent instances of the "bitDefiner.vi" - shown below - in the program.
It reads from the AE (a simple read-write one) and it's the only one to call it besides the writer (that generates the appropriate signal), gets the rising edge of a waveform and determines how long it takes until the falling edge, giving a category to this time later on. If it doesn't determine the period between rising and falling edge before the timeout runs out, it aborts the execution of the while loop. This VI execution is setup like this:
That being said, let's go to the problem.
Assuming there is nothing using the AE but one instance of the bitDefiner, it won't get the rising edge, due to the fact the signal is not being generated, resulting in a timeout. The return value on the diff indicator should be next to the one defined to timeout(image below)
However, when the subvi concludes its execution, the diff indicator shows 54ms intead of 15ms; so I concluded that the AE is taking to long to process the call. Besides that, I'm quite positive that there is only one thread accessing the AE.
After this result, I ran the other instances of the bitDefiner and after the 5th one got activated, the diff went to the expected 15 ms (I'm still thinking how to show that on picture).
I tried highlighting the execution, but it didn't show me anything unsual. The call chain just present that the caller is the bitdefiner VI as expected.
Any thoughts on that?

Functional global variable question

Hello,
I fully understand how a functional global variable (FGV) works and its purpose but I have one last question.
How do I guarantee (or how is it guaranteed) that my sub-VI (the FGV one) is not re-entrant, in other words, how am I sure that when an instance of the FGV is running it does not loose the processor to others? Is this an option that I can choose in a sub-VI or is it related to the while loop or case strucure that compose a FGV?
Joao

Hi Joao,
For a little more background on configuring reentrancy and the options you have available if you do want to make a subVI reentrant:
LabVIEW Help: Reentrancy: Allowing Simultaneous Calls to the Same SubVI
http://zone.ni.com/reference/en-XX/help/371361K-01/lvconcepts/reentrancy/
As Lynn said, all new SubVIs will be non-reentrant by default.
Regards,
Tom L.

Functional global variable

I would like to ask to the experts a question about functional global variables.
In the labview basics 2 course was said that a functional global variable is not reentrant.
My purpose is to implement a code in such a way.2 main vi's. The first vi deals with some hardware that writes data in an output file with 1 Hz rate (more or less 1Hz, I cannot decide it).
The second vi deals with a different hardware (thermocouples). This works at a different rate (I cannot match exactly the different rates). I would like to write the data from the second hardware in the same output file of the first vi.
I am thinking to use a functional global variable to pass the information from the second vi to the first vi. In this way I am using the data from the thermocouples at a rate given by the first vi. But at the same time in the global variable the data are written at a rate given by the second vi.
My question is: what exactly happens if the subvi (functional global variable) is called exactly at the same time? As you can understand it's not really important if I read the temperature with an error of 1 second, but I would not like the execution would stop or something like that.
A functional global variable is a subVI that is not reentrant. This means that when
the subVI is called from multiple locations, the same copy of the subVI is used.
Therefore, only one call to the subVI can occur at a time.functional global variable is a subVI that is not reentrant. This means that whenthe subVI is called from multiple locations, the same copy of the subVI is used.Therefore, only one call to the subVI can occur at a time.

A couple of quick comments to add to this thread.
FG's can be involved in Race Conditions if two callers attempt to direct set the same value. An Action Engine (well what do you expect?) can be coded to help with those situations.
Example:
In arecent app I needed to set the heaters to "0" if an over-pressure condition was detected. The Heater set points where driven by a PID. The safety conditions where controlled by a process monitoring the input values.
So how do I keep the PID from setting the heater when the rig is not safe?
A Safety AE !
Actions used by the pressure monitoring set the Safety AE in an "go-safe" state where setting the heaters results in a null op.
This particular pattern (two writters) screams for an AE to coordinate the vaious actions. Do this same thing with queues could get tricky.
So for the Q in this thread we have a pattern of "two source of info, one sink for each" that screams for a queue.
BTW:
The AE Nugget linked above addresses what happens when two callers attempt to call the same non-re-entrant sub-VI.
Have fun,
Ben
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Multi instance of function global

I have a multi-thread program. Everytime there is need, it will start a new thread. Each thread's code is the same, each thread will have a function global to save the data belong to this thread and exchange data for its own use with other programs.
How to make this function global.

File->VI Properties->Execution (dropdown menu)->Preallocate Clone for Each Instance
And what I was saying was to make your functional global a .vit instead of a .vi. That way, you can call a VI Reference to it (but you have to use a typed reference), then use the Call By Reference Node to pass data to and from the FG.
In the picture, the Open VI Reference and Call by Reference Node (the two on the right) are under the Application Control palette. To obtain a typed VI Refnum, go to your front panel, and drop a VI Refnum control (under Refnum). Go to your block diagram, right click on the new control, and select "change to constant." Then, drag and drop the VI you want to open onto the new constant you made, and the Call by Reference Node will now display the connector panel of the VI you dragged and dropped.
The advantage here is that you can assign one FG to a specific thread just by passing the reference through and using the call by reference node. The downside is that it may not be as efficient as using reentrancy, but I never trust myself with reentrancy unless it's for very simple SubVIs.
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Help with functional global

Thsi is my first time experementing with functional globals
Having been recomended to read this thread http://forums.ni.com/ni/board/message?board.id=170&message.id=240328&query.id=5387854#M240328
I have decided to start with just a functional global
(I like that term better as a FG should be just that, a global variable, and not perform any actions beyond holding data)
What I have is "VI-A" writing to the FG and "VI-B" reading the FG
The problem I am having is:
I can open the FG-VI in "VI-A" and see it updating.
If I open the FG-VI in "VI-B" the FG-VI is running but the controls and indicators are always in their default state and not being updated by VI-A
I have checked and checked and checked to make sure there is only one instance of the FG-VI on my machine.
I have even gone as far as dragging the FG-VI directly from the block diagram of "VI-A" to the block diagram of "VI-B"
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GerdW wrote:
Hi RTSLVU,
also throwing together two small test VIs to get rid of all your HW accesses, to show the FGV is working...
So maybe it wasn't a good idea to "I threw together the chg-cycle VI rather quickly, it's messy...". Remove the unwired default values and check again what's happening in your VIs!
Yeah well I am not using that VI anymre anyway, besides it was a quick and dirty test that worked fine the day I needed it... The origonal chg-cycle had the comunication VI's built in it. I was just using it to learn the FG concept. The idea I had was VI-A would run and continusly update so you could see what the UUT was doing and VI-B could pull in the data it needs from the FG... Like I do with my measurement instrument (The Measurments global in teh chg-cycle vi)
Anyway I changed the FG back to how I first made it (no unwired defaults), but it still does not work as expected. The read in VI-B is always empty
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