Fund Center Hierarchy

Hi to All,
My name is Samad Farooq, Currently we are using the SAP version 4.6C. We are using Funds Mamangement.
How can we change the superior center for the fund center, if it contains budget (object ) on it. For eg. Cost Center is 214010001 and it has superior center 214. Now 214 also has a budget, how can we change the superior center 214 for the cost center 214010001. This Cost Center also has a actual posting on it.
Thanking You All in Advance.
Samad Farooq Dandiya

Hi, there is no standard solution for this case

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