Future encoding time for HD DVDs!

Wow! For those of us who think our encoding takes a long time now, I read in a recent HD trade magazine that stated a 2-hour theatrical movie is taking 100 hours to encode for an HD movie. It didn't say what programs or systems were being used. If this is true, I think I can wait a little longer before I need to make an HD DVD.

Hey kenneth,
using the preset in HD DVD H.264 preset in compressor can take that long.
we would need more information on how exactly you are compressing your video, also what your native codec is.
we need more information such as:
-are you using presets
-if you are NOT using presets (you set your own settings) what are they
-what type of file are you importing into compressor and with what codec
-what kind of and how many drives do you have in your G5
-are your drives stripped (using RAID)
-how much RAM
-what other applications do you have open when encoding
(see what i mean, all this info would be VERY useful)
one of your questions was if encoding with the H.264 codec was really this time consuming. the answer would be yes, although it sounds like you might have set some other settings manually. but i will not assume, i will await a response.
also, your last comment is a little confusing since once again, more information was not included.
do you mean that both H.264 and high bit-rate mpeg2 codecs work in a G5, so it will play back on the newer versions of Apple DVD Player?
or do you mean that the h.264 codec will play on toshiba's HD-A1 and HD-XA1 hardware players, such as the high bit-rate mpeg2 codec?
if the former, then you are 100% correct!
if the latter, then you would be 100% incorrect (unless toshiba finally delivered their much promised firmware update, which would include *.ac3 [dolby] playback as well).
please advise
Mikey M.

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