Future Netweaver Mobile and SyBase Unwired Plataform

Hi everyone.
What future Netweaver Mobile after purchase of SyBase Unwired for SAP?
The SAP wants invest at the SUP and to stop plataform Netweaver Mobile?
I'm searching news.
Thank's.

Hi,
SAP will focus on enabling the entire spectrum of enterprise mobility (lightweight, heavyweight, online, offline, etc) with a single platform - and that will be SAP/Sybase Unwired Platform (SUP). However, the enhanced SUP will include components based on existing technologies like DOE (part of NW Mobile) for specific use-cases (mission critical applications).
You can expect more information around this during SAPPHIRE.
Regards,
Ramalingam Krishnan
Product Manager
Mobile Platform

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well, he is right in a way - but one thing: what is SUP DOE? There is no SUP DOE as such and there will not be as I was told here at TechEd by SAP representatives.
So: it is correct, NW Mobile will not be further developed.Bug fixing yes, but no further development as such. Perhaps it gets obsolete in the future, as SUP is getting better - okay. But it will always be there for the next years and if SAP wants to get rid of it, they need to give clients a way to migrate to another solution. So even there is no further dev it will not get switched off at some point in the future. And: with NWM7.3 we have a big development in NWM to allow a better integration with SUP out of the box.
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Alex.
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