Fuzzy video upon round trip export from motion to FCP

I'm using Motion 4 to add master template lower thirds to my FCP video. When I bring a clip from final cut into motion (send to>Motion) then send it back to FCP after I add my text, the video itself looks as if it has taken on a slight blurriness. I checked that my project settings were the exact same by going to project properties in motion and making sure everything matched up with my sequence settings in fcp. They did. Am I missing a step here? I'm tempted to not roundtrip through motion because of this. Instead I'd like to just open the master template in FCP and use that. The reason I don't is because I do not have control over font color and other adjustments.
Can anyone suggest a fix or point out what I'm doing wrong?
Thanks in advance.

See if this post helps:
http://discussions.apple.com/click.jspa?searchID=-1&messageID=13075996
Patrick

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Patrick Sheffield wrote:
Why not just bring the Motion project (.motn file) directly into FCP?
No export necessary.
Patrick
Yar, this works if the OP's workflow is adapted to the procedures. Just personally, mine is not. Deeply rooted habits from Ye Olde After Effects: I like having the rendered movies available as media.
To the OP's other question about the codec choice, Animation vs ProRes. The only reason to use Animation is if you know why you're using it: alpha. If you need the alpha and you want to stay in ProRes territory, you must use 4444. The last of those fours represents the alpha channel.
bogiesan
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Hope you get some better advice soon. Meantime, try to copy and then paste some layers into independent projects, render them out as self-contained movies. See what happens to them. What you want to try to do is separate out pieces you can pre-render and then bring back in as movies. This eliminates tons of layers processing and might clear up some issues. Also helps you isolate issues with possibly corrupt media.
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I don't see where you are having a problem unless you are simply misinformed. You must render out of Motion or you must render the .motn project file from within another app like FCP but it's going to be processed in exactly the same way as if you have rendered out of Motion.
You CAN set up Quemaster to run batces using all of your Mac's cores as separate rendering engines but that gains you nothing in Motion projects, usually, since you only have one graphic card. And Quemaster, despite a few success stories on that forum, remains a cruel joke.
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The Best way is to round-trip from FCP. Or simply import the .motn file directly into FCP. If you require an alpha channel and for some reason don't want to bring the .motn file in, Animation with millions+ for the colors (+ is the alpha channel) will work, But if you just want straight DV, you should export a DV file.
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Export/Import From Motion to FCP

Hello
I'm new to this forum and have just recently begun working in the film and video industry. I am also new to the Apple community. So please excuse any misuse of terms as am not fully integrated into the business yet. I have created a background that has a lot of motion as well as an emitter in it and duplicating the sequence didn't seem to be the way to go. So I looped the sequence to run for 90 minutes. I am trying to decide if there is a need to export the file from motion as a quicktime file or should I just import the motion document into FCP and overlay my text elements (also created in motion) on V2. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
By the way thanks to Patrick for all you great "fun with" projects they have been a great help in learning Motion.

Thanks for your input. What I'm building is a sponsor loop for a banquet. I needed a 90 minute graphics bed over which to apply my text and logo elements. I ended up modify and existing 15 sec clip from the motion library tossing in an emitter and looping it for 90 minutes.
The problem was the sheer size of the file and the time it took to render if FCP. I ended up exporting the file as an 8 bit uncompressed QT movie so I wouldn't have to rerender it in FCP. It took about 2 1/2 hours but in the end it worked out.
Here is a follow up question. I have finished the text and logo element that goes over the bed but when the time comes to import the Motion file into FCP I have to render every time I put it into the timeline. I realize that the first time it appears it's necessary but is there a way to get around that having to let the thing render over night as this clip will be copied 44 times and each copy takes about 6 minutes to render.
I was thinking about exporting it as a QT file from motion just like the background but then I can't get the title sequence to appear over the backgound the way I would like as a QT element compared to Motion element. Tranparency issues.
Any and all suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

What settings when exporting from motion?

What settings do I use when exporting scrolling credits from Motion.

Exporting to where?
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when I try to export my motion project the export options are all greyed out
can someone pelase advice?

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