FW800 and Airport conflicting

I posted this at the end of a thread started a few months ago and got nothing. So here's a second try at getting some help.
Bottom line: FW800 and Airport don't like each other on my 24-inch iMac.
I tried a WD MyBook Pro 500GB external drive and the drive wouldn't stay mounted using FW800. It would mount and then unmount sporadically and never stay mounted with any consistency.
I figured it was the drive, sent the MyBook back to Amazon and bought an OWC Mercury Elite Pro. Plugged it in and had the same problem. This time, I try FW400 and it works fine. So I search here and someone else said if they turn off their Airport 802.11n card, FW800 works with their drive. So I did that and that solves the problem.
However, I bought the Airport Extreme in March for a reason and it wasn't so I could use an Ethernet cable with my new iMac. I have AppleCare, so I call them and get I'm guessing the newest guy in the call center. He says "If turning off the Airport works, what's the problem?" Well, because I paid for a computer that's supposed to run FW800 and Airport at the same time. So he goes to his supervisor or whoever, comes back and tells me that I should re-set the PRAM and the power (which I had done already without success). Otherwise, Mr. Newbie tells me they don't support third-party drives and I should contact OWC. I called OWC for a laugh, knowing the drive's not the problem and the guy suggested I install the 10.4.10 Combo Update. That was at least a decent suggestion ... But it didn't work.
At this point, I'm perplexed. I know from reading posts here that the Airport shouldn't be interfering with the FW800 port, but I know what I'm seeing. The drive works fine on FW800 as long as Airport is off ... turn it on and the drive disappears and comes back and disappears again. Apple obviously doesn't have any solution except to blow me off and I'm guessing my best hope is that Leopard will resolve things when it's finally released? Anybody got any other suggestions?
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Hi i20west!
Sounds as if the problem is with the settings on the Network panel of System Preferences. [I don't have an answer for what might have happened.]
First, turn on AirPort in the menu bar icon. Open System Preferences, open the Network panel, click on the "Assist me..." button at the bottom of the panel, followed by clicking the blue "Assistant..." button in the drop-down box. [Do NOT click the "Diagnostics..." button.]
"Network Setup Assistant" will open while System Preferences will remain open behind it. On the "Introduction" pane, for convenience enter "airport to router" in the "Location Name:" box and click the "Continue" button. On the "How Do You Connect to the Internet?" pane, activate (by clicking) the radio button left of "I use AirPort to connect to the Internet wirelessly." and click the "Continue" button.
Read and proceed. After configuration is completed you will see in bold at the top "Congratulations! You Are Connected." Click the "Done" button and Network Setup Assistant will close and quit. There should be a message box in front of System Preferences stating that "Your network settings have been changed by another application." That's as it should be, since you just used another app to make those changes, so click "OK" and close.
Finally, change the "Show:" selector to "Network Port Configurations" and select (highlight) the line "AirPort" and simply use the mouse to drag the entire line to the top of the list. Drag the "Built-in FireWire" line to second position in the list. Verify that both boxes are checked to the left. Follow by clicking the "Apply Now" button at bottom right.
The above will change none of the previous settings in other configurations that are maintained in the Network panel of System Preferences. The name of each of those different configurations is displayed in the "Location:" selector for you to choose how you wish to be connected. You should now see on that selector the name you earlier gave this new configuration - "airport to router"
While it may appear to be confusing, you'll notice that after you switch from one configuration name to another and have clicked the "Apply Now" button - the settings that you will see on each pane will be the ones that are appropriate for that configuration.
Once you have a working configuration, be careful not to edit any of its settings followed by clicking the "Apply Now" button, as that will alter the configuration so that it may no longer work.
Rather than haphazardly editing a working configuration, it's less confusing to simply initiate an entirely new configuration, as you've just done above. If that would then continue to work better for you, say for a month or so, then the prior configuration, and other old configurations, may no longer be necessary, and can be deleted from the "Location:" selector.

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