FWIW: Advanced Color Management with HP printers

As I mentioned in another thread my HP Deskjet 5650 is beginning to fail so I'm in the market. As much as I like the hard won results and convenient availability of supplies I'm tired of not being able to over-ride HP's color management and let Elements control the printer's color space.
After some very frustrating research on HP's site I am surprised to learn that the following full size printers allow exactly that and quite a few of their 4x6/5x7 printers, too:
Deskjet 5420v, 5440, 5740, 5940, 6500, 6620, 6830 and 6840 Series
Photosmart 7960, 7850, 8050, 8250, 8250v, 8250xi, and 8253 Series
The research was frustrating because very few of the technical pages for those models mention that color can be managed by the application.
Finally a search of their support site for "Advanced Color Management" brought up the list.

I have the same problem - no idea what to do to correct. Yesterday I replaced the magenta cartridge and within an hour it was telling me the cartridge was empty. Turned it off and today when I turned it back on it sees the magenta cartridge as full. Useless as it is tho, with the colors all pink.

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While experimenting with gradients and large gamut color spaces in response to another post, I came across a peculiarity with displaying image documents in Photoshop CS5 that are using ProPhoto RGB when OpenGL is enabled.
The test is a simple radial gradient from black to gray using 16 bits/channel and the ProPhoto RGB document profile. In my test setup, I am using the standard Windows-supplied sRGB profile for my monitor, and the video card is an ATI Radeon HD 4670 running Catalyst 11.1 drivers. The following are screen grabs using the same technique and software in all cases.
Exhibit A follows: This is the display with OpenGL Disabled or Enabled in Basic mode. Note the perfectly smooth gradient.
Test 2 (below): Same document as above, OpenGL enabled in Normal and Advanced modes). Note the slightly colored posterization / bands in the display of the gradient.
This is not a limitation of my video card's OpenGL implementation, because on this very same system one of my own applications, using 16 bit color management and OpenGL (GL_RGBA16 format specifically) displays a smooth, clean gradient.
Here is the Photoshop file from which I generated the above displays. I'd be curious to hear whether you see something like the first or second image when you open it in Photoshop CS5.
http://Noel.ProDigitalSoftware.com/temp/TestGradient.zip
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Thanks for the responses, and thank you, Chris!
Just to clarify (I know Chris understands, but some of the other responses don't list the OpenGL mode)...
I see the problem:
With OpenGL Enabled in Advanced mode.
With OpenGL Enabled in Normal mode (i.e., what's shown when you click the [Advanced...] Button in Edit-Preferences-Performance.
I don't see the problem:
With OpenGL Enabled in Basic mode.
With OpenGL Disabled.
-Noel

Color management accross two printers.

Hi,
We have two printers at work, one Epson Stylas Photo R1800 and one HP DesignJet Z2100. They want the colors to match across both printers for printing photographs, and do not want to use any RIP software.
I have tried
- getting the application to manage colors, with the Adobe RGB 1998 profile (having changed the document to this profile first)
- both printers to print with Adobe RGB 1998 profile using printer managed colors (with document in Adobe RGB 1998 profile)
- getting the application to manage colors with the print driver selected for the printer I am printing to in the print profile section of the adobe dialogue box (and the driver turned off in the printer dialogue box) and the image converted to CMYK.
- Same as the above but with proof checked in photoshop dialogue box
- lots of variations of the above trying different rendering intents
Whenever I let application manage colors, the prints come out very dark (and not the same dark colors across both printers). I am using the same paper for both printers.
Apparently the colors were not different until we upgraded to CS3 (before I joined the company)
Any suggestions?

Not to sound jerky, but I might suggest buying a RIP. That's gonna be your best way to get prints to match. That, and to make a custom profile for each printer. You'll have the world at your fingertips. If your world is about color matching... which mine is!
That being said, I've goofed around with making a custom RGB profile for my Epson 7800 and had some luck with it. Your standard print drivers are always RGB. Even if you send CMYK, it converts to RGB and then back to its own CMYK when you print. Essentially, you will print an RGB target, use a spectrophotometer to read them in and make an RGB profile from it. Then, every image you print, you convert (not assign) to this profile. It's been a while since I tried this, but I'm pretty sure I turned off color management in the print dialog in order for this to work right. Again, this is not completely optimal but it's better than nothing.
If you don't have a spectrophotometer or software to make a profile, you should be able to find services online that can help you out, or ask a friendly color managed printer in town if they have a color management guru they turn to.

Color management with HP officejet 6500 E709 serie

Can you pls tell me what my color management settings should be set to on mty HP officejet 6500 E 709 series? It is connected to an HP Elitebook 6930p. All cartridges are new but none of the "red/pink" colors print. Thank you.

I have the same problem - no idea what to do to correct. Yesterday I replaced the magenta cartridge and within an hour it was telling me the cartridge was empty. Turned it off and today when I turned it back on it sees the magenta cartridge as full. Useless as it is tho, with the colors all pink.

UCCX Advanced Quality Management with VMware View

Hi,
I have a customer who uses UCCX 8.5 with VMware View clients running CAD and 7940 IP phones.
They are looking at recording options and have expressed an interest in the Advanced Quality Management product.
There are a few issues that I would need to consider specific to their environment.
The first is that Desktop based recording would not work in this environment as CAD is running on a virtual desktop rather than a PC daisy chained to the IP phone. The second is that network based recording is not supported as the 7940 phones do not have a Built in Bridge.
This leaves server based recording which uses SPAN port mirroring. The issue with this is that the agents phones are distributed across multiple Catalyst switches so I guess I would need to configure RSPAN - has anyone got any experience of using Cisco QM with RSPAN? - if yes how well did it work? - the customer would probably be willing to upgrade the IP phones used by the agents if that would be a better option.
The final query relates to the Screen Recording Client - the install guide details how to install this on a Citrix server but makes n mention of VMware view. Does anyone know if support for this is on the roadmap?
Thanks!

Hi James
I've done an RSPAN deployment with UCCX recording which I presume will have similar gotchas...
The only issue I had was that I ham fisted an RSPAN config in that SPANned the VVLAN on all the edge switches. My mistake was that I didn't exclude the uplink ports, and these switches were stacked, so there was a lot of packet duplication initially (sounds like 90s dance music time stretching).
If you ensure you SPAN ingress only on all the endpoints (i.e. phones, and gateways) and then exclude any ports where traffic might be seen a second time (e.g. switch uplinks), and then filter for the voice VLAN you should be OK.
This deployment was a routed LAN with different subnets on each edge stack but this worked OK with everything running through a single RSPAN session back to the server.
I've not had the good fortune to have to do this more than a couple of times, and I've not done it for AQM - but assuming that SPAN/RSPAN are supported along with the video recording part running on the endpoints I don't see it being too different as they seem to be written by the same people.
Can't help re: VMware view either I'm afraid...
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InDesign Color Management with BW photos

I am ready to send a book to print. It includes many high resolution BW photos. The photos are Greyscale PSDs (provided to me on disc) and are linked to the document. When I go to package it it says that CMS is on and it is in CMYK mode. There is no greyscale option, so do I A)Leave it the way it is? B) turn off the CMS? and if so, C) do I need to turn of the CMS on each photo individually or just in the document? D) none of the above?
I am on a deadline with this so any help would be fantastic. Thanks.

>Does that affect the way the images will print?
Yes, I think so, but I'm not an expert on how, exactly grayscale works in ID.
I always have color management enabled, and I use the CMYK profile for my working space that matches the press condition. I see reports that InDesign prints grayscale either darker or lighter than the same image from Photoshop, but I've never had results that I considered unacceptable. I usually use a dot gain profile of 20 or 30% when converting to grayscale, depending on if the paper will be coated or not. It's better to err, in my opinion, slightly on the light side in doing the conversions, too. Things tend to darken up on press.
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AE CS4 Color management with HDTV

Working with the Sony EX1 and EX3 which according to Sony engineers works in the 709 HDTV colorspace.
This space is about a dead ringer for sRGB when overlayed in Colorthink. The issue I am having is that if you actually assign the 709 or sRGB profile to a still image that is captured off a recorded clip, the blues are out of wack. I can export a single frame of the color bars from the Sony application, and the frame is tagged sRGB. Open the image in Photoshop CS4 or AE CS4 and use the embedded profile and the bars look purple. Apply no color management, and the lineup looks correct, nice and blue. Anyone know what is going on here?
I'm not exactly sure how to integrate AE sequences if assigning the 709 output profile is going to wack the colors.
Yes the monitor is calibrated, its the NEC 3090 (12 bit Hardware LUT) with Spectraview II.
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Cris Daniels

ok, I think I am onto something. My footage is 709, and my workspace is 709. It defaults to "none", but I change that to the 709HD profile. I am not checking any of the linear options because it is all 8-bit footage and if this is anything like Photoshop, 8-bit data in a linear space is a no-no.
Here is the $64,000 question, what the heck does the "Use display color managment" option in the "view" menu actually do?
At first I though that I should leave this on, but THIS option is what is wacking my footage. If I leave that setting off (unchecked), my colors look ok. Even if I leave this option on and set to "no output simulation" it changes the preview.
Right now I am a little confused as to exactly how that "use display color management" functions. It almost looks like turning it on is somehow double color managing my display and therefore the weird color shift. Is it safe to assume that AE is already using my colorsync profile like it does in Photoshop and that I do not need to check the "use display color management" at all?
For what its worth, the AE color when setup correctly (uncheck the display color management), matches the Sony HDCAM clip browsing and transfer software, and Photoshop. Originally I was comparing AE to Premiere Pro, and Premiere Pro doesn't match anything perfectly (grrrrr....) but at least I now have three apps matching up great.
Premiere Pro is weak on color management to say the least, and I've heard that it does not correctly display the Sony HD footage, so looking for a total match to AE is probably a dead end.
Anyway, if you can explain the display color management option I can get my head around that a little better.

PE7 Color Management with a Non Postscript Printer

Hello,
I have an Epson Stylus Photo R800 and images are coming out quite dark, sometimes with a blue cast to them. My monitor is calibrated via the Pantone Huey Pro and I'm curious if anyone could help me in figuring out what adjustments to make so that my prints are "close" to the original. I know that WYSIWYG is not possible, but I should be able to get closer than I am. LOL.
If there are any books or tutorials that would help me in particular, that would be helpful to me as well. I also have the ICC profiles for the Epson paper that I use. The issue in part at least appears to be that PE7 won't manage or allow color to be managed unless the printer is a postscript printer. There don't appear to be any postscript drivers for my printer on the Epson website. Perhaps there are some 3rd party utilities that could help as well.
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Well I went to the websites mentioned and I found out where to set the printer profile in elements, but it still comes up with the postscript error message, stating that calibration is inherently a postscript function and as the Epson Stylus Photo R800 is not a postscript printer, it turns calibration and color management in general off. *sigh of frustration but not giving up!*
That does explain why the colors are so far off. I wonder how to apply my printer *and* monitor profile to elements. I believe elements uses my monitor profile by default, but if it won't turn postscript off so that it is compatible with my printer, that won't work. Wish I could afford the full photoshop, this might not be a problem then.
I also tried saving the file as a pdf but that did not work. If I'm not mistaken, and I could be, that also includes postscript by default, which as I got the postscript error message again when I tried to print the pdf, I would have to believe it does. Is there a plugin that might help?
Funny thing is the original image is in the .jpeg format, not eps.

Resolving color management with Epson printer

Using an Espon Stylus Photo RX600
InDesignCS 3.0.1
PhotoShop 8.0
I continually struggle with color when printing scanned images or images off of a camera card into PhotoShop and/or InDesign, and with the warning messages (upon opening) for tagged or untagged photos,
Are the dialog box choices regarding printing choices for newer versions of PS and ID more user-friendly regarding color management choices, hence I would be better off upgrading strictly for that purpose?
I'm using a PowerBook,
Step 1 instructions from a post in this forum suggest calibration first.
i have calibrated my monitor. I have a name for the calibrated color settings and can call them up in Color Settings before I open the photo in Color.
step 2 advice in an earlier post reads :
dont apply double profiling, let the application, Photoshop Cs in my case, handle the colour management and make sure no colour adjustment is checked in the printer driver, this is located in the colour management section of a drop down menu.
this advice, step 2, is hard to follow because I do not know which phrase/choices in the dialog boxes refer to letting the SOFTWARE handle the printing and which refer to letting the PRINTER handle the printing. Either workflow would work fine. The Epson has wonderful capabilities when I get it managed correctly.
I have repeatedly tried to use a workflow by Ballard but can't interpret the advice similar to "step 2" above in tandem with the opening choices for untagged photos.
A single workflow would be great, but I need a solution that works no matter what the source of my photo (scanner, camera card being the most frequently used, I use an Olympus digital and a Casio digital).
Thanks for any advice. Right now I'd just like to hit my printer with a rock, but I doubt that would solve anything.

Please follow g ballards advice. You must understand first before you click. You NEVER USE the monitor profile except for the monitor itself. Hopefully you calibrated your monitor with an actual calibrator, which one was it?
The Epson will give you what you need and want if you actually know what you're doing.
There's a lot to understand, but it will become second nature once you follow the steps.
It appears that you don't understand calibration, color spaces, profiles, rendering intent, device dependence, and output.
You haven't given any system specs. Why are you using Indesign 3 and PS 8? Where is PS 10?

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