G10 Aperture RAW conversion: what are your impressions?

the wait is over!
2.4 RAW Compatibility update includes Canon G10.
what are your impressions?
what Aperture settings yield best results?
how do they compare to Camera RAW and DPP?

When you compare photos that were photographed at ISO 100 they all do a good job. When you stat going up in the ISO is where I think Aperture does a great job. I've attached a screen capture of the same photos processed with 3 different applications. No adjustments were added to the photos. The default settings were used then the photo was passed on to photoshop as a Tiff. I think it's clear why I don't like ACR. Aperture and DPP are much closer. DPP has some noise reduction on by default so the photo looks like it has less noise then Aperture. I feel that the default noise reduction just makes the photo look a little soft and out of focus. If I turn off the default noise reduction in DPP the photo looks noisy. So I like Aperture better because of the way the noise looks, the sharpness and detail of the photo. Another area to look at is the neck and chest area. Aperture holds the most amount of detail before blowing out. I know that all 3 programs have adjustments that will help fix the problems in the photo. Even after doing that to the photo in all 3 programs I still felt that Aperture was clearly better. As the previous poster said it is subjective to each persons taste.
I've never used this way of posting a screen grab so if it doesn't work forgive me. Make sure to click on the photo to view the large file.

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All,
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2) Despite Aperture's RAW conversion problems and other adjustment glitches, is it sufficient quality in your opinion for a contact sheet?
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panic(cpu 0 caller 0x00350082): mbuf address out of range 0x954208
Backtrace, Format - Frame : Return Address (4 potential args on stack)
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0xbcc3e14 : 0x22217b (0x1dbd0800 0x14 0xbcc3f14 0x20bf29d3)
0xbcc3e54 : 0x223bff (0x1dbd0800 0x14 0x6 0x0)
0xbcc3f64 : 0x21125d (0x1dbd0800 0x1dbd0800 0x42db5c 0x135798)
0xbcc3fa4 : 0x1f7871 (0x2d52404 0x1dbd0800 0x1da5e816 0x1)
0xbcc3fd4 : 0x197b19 (0x0 0x0 0x2653920 0x4a2000) Backtrace terminated-invalid frame pointer 0x0
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Darwin Kernel Version 8.7.1: Wed Jun 7 16:19:56 PDT 2006; root:xnu-792.9.72.obj~2/RELEASE_I386
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AirPort: spairportwireless_card_type_airportextreme (0x168C, 0x86), 0.1.24
Bluetooth: Version 1.7.5f10, 2 service, 1 devices, 1 incoming serial ports
Network Service: Built-in Ethernet, Ethernet, en0
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I've been using Aperture for many years and have recently learned something useful about how to tweak the RAW conversion settings. Until recently I just left them at the default settings for my camera, a Panasonic GH2.
Anyhow I've not been entirely happy with shadow noise (otherwise I reckon it's a great camera). Many web sites say that a degree of shadow noise is normal for this camera, so I didn't figure mine was any different. I tried a variety of noise reduction approaches but none really made a worthwhile improvement.
Until a few days ago when I tried tweaking the 'Raw Fine Tuning' settings - and I found a way to make things *much* better.
Please note that the following comments may only be relevant to Panasonic RAW files, and maybe only for the GH2. I don't know if they apply to other cameras (though I think they may.
It turns out that for the GH2, the default 'Raw Fine Tuning' setting includes 'Sharpening' of 0.78 and 'Edges' of 0.79. This is fairly aggressive sharpening, but I didn't really realise what it was doing to noise until I discovered that was significantly increasing shadow noise -even at base ISO!
If I set these both the sharpening sliders in the Raw Fine Tuning section to '0', the 'grain' in the shadows is much smoother - a massive improvement.
But, of course, the image is a bit less 'sharp'. Well, this isn't much of a problem with 16+ megapixel cameras. Unless you are making huge enlargements from originals, and really look closely at the finest details at 100%, it makes very little difference if you give up this 'sharpness'. But the reduction in noise is actually very obvious indeed. It's much better!
Most of the sharpness I need on these less noisy images can easily be added by including the 'Edge Sharpen' adjustment, either at the defailt settings, or marginally toned down a bit. I'm currently using Intensity 0.7, Edges 0.3 and Falloff 0.4. This leaves most smooth areas untouched, so the 'noise' or 'grain' in smooth areas is as it comes from the sensor. By toggling the Edge Sharpen on and off, I can easily confirm no change in 100% or 200% loupe views.
That level of edge sharpening is a bit subtle, but actually achieves most of what I got from the Raw Fine Tuning sharpening sliders. It will be applied only to in-focus contrasty things like eyelashes or hairs or other defined edges, and very nicely.
So I'm sharing this in case other people also find it helpful. I strongly suggest removing the default sharpening entirely, and only using the Edge Sharpening slider in a cautious manner if you want to enhance sharpness.
Some related web pages:
http://www.jonroemer.com/blog/2011/01/aperture-3-too-sharp-tweak-the-default/
http://www.twin-pixels.com/raw-processors-review-aperture-bibble-capture-one-dxo -lightroom/
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PSS - the end result is that I have set my camera preset for RAW fine tuning to zero settings for boost, hue boost, sharpening and edges. I then add contrast as needed using curves, and sharpen only with a little edge sharpening. I've then saved a few Presets with slightly different contrast curves and all with a little edge sharpening. I can very quickly select the level of contrast needed, and I am very confident that my results are quite a bit better, with better tonal gradations and much less noise.
Hope this helps
Chris.

Nice observations, Chris. I think the RAW Fine Tuning is often overlooked, even though it's a vital first step in RAW processing, and really the whole point of shooting RAW in the first place. Too much boost yields horrible skin tones in my experience. I have a default of .50 Boost and Hue Boost, Sharpening and Edges at .25, Moire .50, Radius 12.0 and Denoise .25. I've found these are "mid range" settings for the Canon 5Dii, and first make small adjustments to the Fine Tuning brick before moving on to exposure adjustments.

Aperture RAW conversion colour noise with Canon 1D Mark II

I'm using Aperture 2.1 and am wondering if anyone here is having this problem - basically highlights end up with false colour with this camera/RAW conversion combination. The problems appears to have been introduced with the 1.1 RAW converter as 1.0 conversions don't seem to have the problem. I'm not sure if this is camera specific, or whether there is some tuning which can be done to the RAW converter to minimise the effect - attempts have so far failed with this approach.
The best subject to produce the effect is strong reflections from water - i've attached a crop of an image which shows this problem, and I can supply a RAW with this problem.
Conversion using RAW 1.0 (less or no colour pixelation):
http://www.loftsoft.co.uk/pictures/KC7U5116%20-%20RAW%201.0.jpg
Conversion using RAW 2.0 (colour pixelation):
http://www.loftsoft.co.uk/pictures/KC7U5116%20-%20RAW%202.0.jpg
Any suggestions as to what to do? Is this simply a RAW conversion problem which can be addressed or am I using the tool wrong?
Many thanks,
Cesare

Hmm. I can see some color effects in the 1.0 conversion as well.
Those are some touch photos... you have lots of specular highlights with the sun reflecting off the water and the railing.
Aperture 2.x and 1.x handle the RAW conversion differently. I would suggest you try playing with the RAW Fine Tuning brick, specifically with the Moire and Radius sliders, and try fiddling with the Auto Noise Compensation checkbox.
I don't know whether you'll be able to make the problem go away completely or not.
With my ~30,000 1D Mark II files I've seen something similar to this (though much less extreme) on a couple of them. Always with specular highlights though -- off water or metal objects.
Still, you may wish to submit Aperture feedback and include the RAW file.

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* Support auto-validation, i.e. the validation highlights and messages will instantly update as the user types
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* The validations must be defined relative to the normal data bean not a JFX model or controller, etc. This is so the bean can be validated on the server as well as the client. The server must do validation to prevent dodgy data getting in (never trust a client). Ideally we don't want to be specifying the validations in two places (i.e. once for the client and once for the server) as this creates maintenance problems and weakens the integrity of the system over time.
* Ideally the validation mechanism will be based on [url http://java.dzone.com/articles/bean-validation-and-jsr-303]JSR 303 - Bean Validations as this is quite nice. This is flexible however if there is a suitable alternative that integrates better.
To give us something to reference in conversation, I've created a small working sample. This is only meant to be a rough starting point (at best) and I'd really like to get feedback on both the code (i.e. should we have a 'presentation model', how could bindings be better used, etc) and the general way I'm representing errors (i.e. should we use tooltips to show errors, or actually show the errors next to the field, should we use border colours or put a little exclamation mark over the field, should the fields be auto-validated or only validated on submit, etc).
The example is a single form for editing a person. It has three fields, first name, last name and gender. When the form is blank, auto-editing is off. When the user submits the form it is validated and from that point on auto-validating is on. Error fields are highlighted with a style change, and a tooltip is added with details (I think we can do better - what's your ideas?).
I have used all plain Java to keep thngs simple, but I'd be looking for the end result to translate to FXML as well. I've also coded everything into the one class but the eventual goal would be to have the common stuff moved out to reusable base classes, etc.
Here's a workspace with some example code in it: http://code.google.com/p/jfxee/source/browse/trunk/jfxforms/
Here's a running deploy of that code: http://zenjava.com/demo/form/forms.html
(edit: I've moved the code to its own project and changed the url for the launch - the values above are the new, correct ones)
Looking forward to hearing some thoughts on this topic.
Edited by: zonski on 01-Dec-2011 13:41

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import javafx.scene.control.Control;
* @author Richard
public interface Validator<C extends Control> {
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    public final ValidationResult getResult() { return result; }
}Because Control's don't presently have the notion of validation built in, I created a ValidationPane which is like a specialized StackPane, where there is a bottom layer, the control, and a glass pane layer. And from CSS you can style it however you like. The ValidationPane has a CSS style class set in case of errors / warnings. So without augmenting controls, the idea is that a ValidationPane subclass would exist to wrap each type of control you needed to validate. It did this because somebody has to wire up the listeners to the control to react on text input etc, and so I thought I'd like that encapsulated in something reusable, and there it was.
import javafx.beans.DefaultProperty;
import javafx.beans.property.ObjectProperty;
import javafx.beans.property.ReadOnlyObjectProperty;
import javafx.beans.property.ReadOnlyObjectWrapper;
import javafx.beans.property.SimpleObjectProperty;
import javafx.beans.value.ChangeListener;
import javafx.beans.value.ObservableValue;
import javafx.event.EventHandler;
import javafx.scene.control.Control;
import javafx.scene.layout.Region;
* @author Richard
@DefaultProperty("content")
public abstract class ValidatorPane<C extends Control> extends Region {
     * The content for the validator pane is the control it should work with.
    private ObjectProperty<C> content = new SimpleObjectProperty<C>(this, "content", null);
    public final C getContent() { return content.get(); }
    public final void setContent(C value) { content.set(value); }
    public final ObjectProperty<C> contentProperty() { return content; }
     * The validator
    private ObjectProperty<Validator<C>> validator = new SimpleObjectProperty<Validator<C>>(this, "validator");
    public final Validator<C> getValidator() { return validator.get(); }
    public final void setValidator(Validator<C> value) { validator.set(value); }
    public final ObjectProperty<Validator<C>> validatorProperty() { return validator; }
     * The validation result
    private ReadOnlyObjectWrapper<ValidationResult> validationResult = new ReadOnlyObjectWrapper<ValidationResult>(this, "validationResult");
    public final ValidationResult getValidationResult() { return validationResult.get(); }
    public final ReadOnlyObjectProperty<ValidationResult> validationResultProperty() { return validationResult.getReadOnlyProperty(); }
     * The event handler
    private ObjectProperty<EventHandler<ValidationEvent>> onValidation =
            new SimpleObjectProperty<EventHandler<ValidationEvent>>(this, "onValidation");
    public final EventHandler<ValidationEvent> getOnValidation() { return onValidation.get(); }
    public final void setOnValidation(EventHandler<ValidationEvent> value) { onValidation.set(value); }
    public final ObjectProperty<EventHandler<ValidationEvent>> onValidationProperty() { return onValidation; }
    public ValidatorPane() {
        content.addListener(new ChangeListener<Control>() {
            public void changed(ObservableValue<? extends Control> ov, Control oldValue, Control newValue) {
                if (oldValue != null) getChildren().remove(oldValue);
                if (newValue != null) getChildren().add(0, newValue);
    protected void handleValidationResult(ValidationResult result) {
        getStyleClass().removeAll("validation-error", "validation-warning");
        if (result != null) {
            if (result.getType() == ValidationResult.Type.ERROR) {
                getStyleClass().add("validation-error");
            } else if (result.getType() == ValidationResult.Type.WARNING) {
                getStyleClass().add("validation-warning");
        validationResult.set(result);
        fireEvent(new ValidationEvent(result));
    @Override
    protected void layoutChildren() {
        Control c = content.get();
        if (c != null) {
            c.resizeRelocate(0, 0, getWidth(), getHeight());
    @Override
    protected double computeMaxHeight(double d) {
        Control c = content.get();
        return c == null ? super.computeMaxHeight(d) : c.maxHeight(d);
    @Override
    protected double computeMinHeight(double d) {
        Control c = content.get();
        return c == null ? super.computeMinHeight(d) : c.minHeight(d);
    @Override
    protected double computePrefHeight(double d) {
        Control c = content.get();
        return c == null ? super.computePrefHeight(d) : c.prefHeight(d);
    @Override
    protected double computePrefWidth(double d) {
        Control c = content.get();
        return c == null ? super.computePrefWidth(d) : c.prefWidth(d);
    @Override
    protected double computeMaxWidth(double d) {
        Control c = content.get();
        return c == null ? super.computeMaxWidth(d) : c.maxWidth(d);
    @Override
    protected double computeMinWidth(double d) {
        Control c = content.get();
        return c == null ? super.computeMinWidth(d) : c.minWidth(d);
}And finally the TextInputValidatorPane instance good for any TextInputControl. I think.
import javafx.beans.InvalidationListener;
import javafx.beans.Observable;
import javafx.beans.value.ChangeListener;
import javafx.beans.value.ObservableValue;
import javafx.scene.control.TextInputControl;
* @author Richard
public class TextInputValidatorPane<C extends TextInputControl> extends ValidatorPane<C> {
    private InvalidationListener textListener = new InvalidationListener() {
        public void invalidated(Observable o) {
            final Validator v = getValidator();
            final ValidationResult result = v != null ?
                v.validate(getContent()) :
                new ValidationResult("", ValidationResult.Type.SUCCESS);
            handleValidationResult(result);
    public TextInputValidatorPane() {
        contentProperty().addListener(new ChangeListener<C>() {
            public void changed(ObservableValue<? extends C> ov, C oldValue, C newValue) {
                if (oldValue != null) oldValue.textProperty().removeListener(textListener);
                if (newValue != null) newValue.textProperty().addListener(textListener);
    public TextInputValidatorPane(C field) {
        this();
        setContent(field);
}This should also be usable as is from FXML since you can easily wrap a TextInputValidatorPane around a TextField, and CSS does all the styling, so I think it all just works. You probably need to have some library of sophisticated Validators which know how to read text from a TextField and compare against the validation annotations, but otherwise it should work well enough. Anyway, in the actual implementation I think I would omit the ValidationPane stuff completely and just build that part into the controls / skins. Like I said, this was a quick hack but seemed to get the "how do I visualize validation errors" part of the problem solved.
Richard

What are your top 10 issues to upgrade E-Business Suite

Hi everyone,
My name is Max Arderius, Product Manager for Life Cycle Management products in Oracle. We are doing a big effort to help customers to simplify their E-Business Suite upgrade. We are trying to collect all the information we can to identify the top issues that customers are facing before, during or after E-Business Suite upgrades. We are really committed to address all possible issues and so we can prevent usual problems, showstoppers, inconveniences, lack of documentation and other technical difficulties.
What would you say are your top 10 issues that faced to upgrade to R12? Or what would you like Oracle to address in the near future to make your life easier?
I am looking forward for your postings! Thanks!
Max

Hi Max ! Hope you are well :-)
One thing that I assume most folks would find useful is a pre-upgrade script that can do some basic checks to identify any potential issues that need to be addressed before the upgrade starts.
A simple example is documented in MOS Doc 802515.1 (R12 Upgrade: Workers Fail In Apstca01.Sql) - the profile option in our system was set to NULL (the default) and the apstca01.sql failed in the middle of the first test upgrade - not a big issue, but would have been nice to have this corrected before the upgrade.
I am sure that are hundreds of such "gotchas" from all the various modules :-)
This script is almost analogous to the database pre-upgrade script/tool (http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/E11882_01/server.112/e17222/upgrade.htm#UPGRD12395) that performs some checks and makes recommendations.
Thanks
Srini

PT880----Possible cold boot issue-----What are YOUR boot times??

I may have an issue with this board that I hadn't really noticed since I've been so heavy into the max overclock I could get.
My post and then boot time is strange and annoying-----and sometimes I have to just shut off and turn on-----to actually complete the process. It just seems WAY too long! But maybe this is normal for the chipset.
Turn on>>>>>to POST beep = 40 seconds----D-Bracket shows code of "Memory Detection" during this time.....(----This is the time that seems way out of whack)----most boards I've ever had go from turn on>>>>to Post beep VERY quickly.
From POST beep>>>>>to "Welcome" screen in BOOT = another 20 seconds
Completion of BOOT = another 10 seconds-----not so much worried about this one as I would think it would be Windows dependent and what additional software was loaded.
This total process seems remarkably slow----and again----sometimes-----I NEVER get the post beep (The D-Bracket code is stuck in Memory Detection) and I have to turn the machine off and start again.
What are you guys' times with your PT880???? I tried two different types of RAM---no difference----changing RAM DIMM slots-----no difference----changing RAM timings and voltages----no difference-----I also ran Memtest on both sets of RAM (passed), reflashed Bios----cleared CMOS, and reset NVRAM----no change.
Any ideas??? Beta Bios 1.53 issue??
John

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Originally posted by markt435
Well I finally got my system fixed. Hmmm I have about a 20 sec start up. My proc is overclocked to 3.4Ghz as well. I would try reseating memory or clearing the BIOS. Or putting different sticks of memory in if you have any laying around.
Already done-----See last paragraph of my post....

What are your experiences in integrating Windows AD and Linux

I got into a job with a domain of about 70 Windows PCs and about 100 Linux machines.
The domains are quite old, and I mean Samba 4 and NIS old. Obviously one wants something newer, as in AD on the Windows side and Kerberos/LDAP on the Linux side. Preferably with a single user-database.
Question to the more experienced members:
Should I go
- Windows based and use something like an OpenLDAP Proxy for the Linux-LDAP
or
- Samba 4 based AD with the same
or
- Any of the above with Linux attributes added to the user entries in LDAP
What are thoughts and experiences on this? Especially is Samba 4 stable enough to be used in a production environment? What experiences with having Linux machines running in AD directly or via LDAP Proxy/Kerberos Proxy?

1. Thsi contribution is not discussion, it is question. So better category is needed.
2. Samba forum is better platform for topics llike Samba stability. Your infrastructure is much closer to Linux one.
3. As you has landed in Windows Server forum, I would recommend using Windows Server 2012 R2. This is stable and reliable. Homogeneous infrastructure brings less headaches that hybrid one.
Regards
Milos

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