G3 + OS9 + Fontographer

So I have an interesting tech problem I'm trying to work around.
I have Fontographer. I love this application. It lives on an old os 8.5.x HD that I removed from an old PowerMac.
In my quest to use this application again, I thought I would use an old G3. Original HD is there, but it had issues, so I installed a separate HD with OS9.
Current set up is:
*G3 tower with ONLY OS9 (no osx)*
Question #1
Will OS9 work (without OSX classic mode since OSX is not on the machine) on a G3 without error? (I ask because it gives me odd errors on a fresh install from time to time)
Question #2
Will Fontographer 4.x.x work on OS9? Keep in mind that after all these years, the only copy I have is on that drive. I no longer have the install disk.

I went ahead and dived in with fingers crossed. I'll post my findings to help others if they have this question as well.
* I removed the old G3 tower original drive.* [DETAILS YOU CAN SKIP] I bought this machine used several years ago from a co-worker. He didn't give me install disks for Panther sadly. So I lived with it saying "Bob" was the owner. When I didn't really have use for the machine after a few months, I packed it up several years ago. I pulled it out of my graveyard storage for two purposes; turn it into a small file server and to run Fontographer remotely if I could get it to work in classic mode but I could never get around the administrative settings since I don't have the original OS disk for that machine, hence I pulled the drive and started from scratch on a larger drive and installed OS9.0 since that is what I had disks for.
* In the other available HD slot I install the old 8.6 HD* I pulled from my ancient PowerMac 4400. I then set the start-up drive to be the OS9 drive since it was getting confused and not booting after the 8.6 drive was installed. Things to watch out for might be are IDE placement on the cable and master/slave/CS settings on the HD since I did all of these things in order to get it boot properly. (You might ask why didn't I just install the 8.6 drive and update it. Two reasons. I tried to boot from that drive and it wouldn't work in the G3, even with moving system enablers around. I might be that I did something wrong but none-the-less, it wouldn't work. The second reason was that I knew upgrading that drive would be a one way trip and if I did and it broke either the OS or the ability to run Fontographer, then that would be the end of the line. It was safer to start with a fresh install of OS 9 on a different drive.
* From the 8.6 HD I could now see on the desktop (you may have to mount the drive if someone out there is trying this), I ran Fontographer under 9.0 OS to see if it worked.* It did. So I didn't have to move the application. However, since that was my only copy, I decided to copy it to the applications folder on the OS9 drive, tested it and it worked. I will keep the other old drive installed there in case I need to grab it again.
* Then I upgraded the OS9.0 install to 9.2.2. testing Fontographer at each upgrade to see if it still worked before installing the next update. It did. (OS9 Updates are found on the Apple site if you search for it.)
I was very excited to see one of my favorite applications work on the G3 after several years of wishing I could use it again! I'd be happier if it ran on my MacPro but Apple took away the classic mode. Oh well... I loved Fontographer. It's sad it's a dead application.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fontographer
I hope this helps others.

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drive, install OS9 and run the old system. I know I
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http://www.macmaps.com/backup.html The import of the external hard drive with the migration assistant can be done with these instructions:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25773

How do I install OS9 system folder on an eMac?

I have a brand new eMac. It has OS 10.4.4 installed. I need to install an OS9 system folder in order to run Classic. I have an OS9 CD, but the eMac can't boot to it or run anything from the cd from OSX. The eMac didnt come with a CD that says anything like additional software or Classic Support. I tried booting to the OSX install CD's and doing a customized install. Classic support or OS9 was not an option.
Any ideas?

No new Macs can boot in OS 9, which is half the reason Classic was invented to emulate 9 while your Mac is booted in X.
The disk set that came with your eMac does contain installers that will give you a System Folder for use with Classic over X, but not on the main disks…
It's probably on one labelled Additional Software and Mac OS 9 but sorry, these things change from time to time and I haven't seen a recent eMac…

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