G4 450 AGP to Radeon 9800 Pro upgrade low down.

I have been looking to upgrade my G4 450 AGP graphics card. I'm running 2-22" ViewSonic 2235's at 1680x 1050 w/ Rage 128 AGP and PCI cards. I've learned that this G4 has 2x AGP slot and few cards fit, namely ATI's Radeon X800 XT or Radeon 9800 Pro, both Mac Editions. Price eliminates the X800. 9800 comes in 128MB or 256MB flavors. Questions: 1. Is there any real advantage to the 256MB version aside from dual DVI output vs 1 DVI 1VGA? 2. Having seen max resolution at 2050x...; Is this resolution per dual monitor channel or will I have to lower my 1680 to a 1024 per screen. Thanks folks.

Hi-
but why do you need more on the G4, the machine can't handle any software that requires 256MB of video memory anyway.
The only one who would say that, is someone who has settled for less.
There is a BIG difference between the other cards, and a 9800, even on an "old" machine.
I see all kinds of improvements in applications, the OS, system performance, etc., as compared to my old 9000 (64mb). The difference is night and day!
G4 AGP(450)Sawtooth Mac OS X (10.4.8) 2ghzPPC,1.62gbSDRAM, ATI9800, DVR-109,(IntHD)120&160,LaCie160,23"Cinema Display

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ATI/Radeon 9800 Pro 128 AGP 4x/2x in Gigabit Ethernet dual 450 PMac G4

Hi,
This is my first time posting to these discussion group... I've been going through related threads and have not found an answer to my problem...
I have a Gigabit Ethernet dual 450 G4. Awhile ago I upgraded the processor to a Sonnet 1.8ghz so I could run Leopard.
I just bough the ATI/Radeon 9800 Pro 128 AGP 4x/2x video card. I researched around and that seemed to be a card that would work in my machine. I even read a review on Amazon where someone had also upgraded to the 1.8 processor used this card with no issues.
I do have an older monitor - Apple Studio Display CRT with the ADC connector. So I also bought the Apple DVI to ADC adapter kit.
I installed the card and do not get any picture at all - I believe I have installed everything correctly. I'm pretty sure I can hear the fan on the video card in the machine. The monitor is getting power from the adapter since the button lights up when I press it - but it does not stay lit -- the monitor never turns on. Using my old graphics card the monitor makes a little "beep" when it turns on.
In reading the other topics I am wondering if it might be a power issue? According to Other World Computing's profile my machine has a max of 220 watts. Although they suggest this video card as one the will work in my machine.
I have disabled the hard drive that came with the machine (too small) and am using two Maxtor hard drives that I added - one ATA (120gb) and one SATA (500gb) that is connected to an SATA pci card. I also have two additional pci cards with usb 2.0/firewire ports.
In looking at the topics here I came across the link about taping the 3 and 11 pins on the video card. Even though the card I have is 4x/2x not 8x I thought I'd give it a shot. That did not work either.
Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated.

I don't wish to sound redundant here, but I've been reviewing the vendor's page:
It's OK- I don't mind beating this dead horse....
The maker says such to protect themselves from possible claims that may arise due to over loaded systems and power problems when their card is installed in said system.
Of course, 300w would be nice, but they didn't even specify the PSU rating a couple years ago. The Sawtooth, with it's 237w PSU, used to be listed as a compatible machine for the 9800...... They just didn't consider how far a Sawtooth might be modded.
Within reason, the early G4's (Sawtooths) are capable of using the Radeon 9800 Pro. The GE has the same 338w PSU as the DA (they are interchangeable), so there is plenty of power for the 9800.
One thing to remember, the requirements of the ADC port of the AGP slot are removed by using a non ADC card. This really changes the calculations of the power available.
It's kinda' a long post, but, if you care to get ALL the details, check the following:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=7065653&#7065653
I think you'll be satisfied with the explanation.......
Which leaves your second, and very appropriate, point.
The main enemy of all, though, isn't power. Heat is the biggest concern.
Reducing heat/increasing cooling by using a third party fan on the 9800 is highly recommended. The 9800 is a hot card, and the stock fan is prone to early failure.
Adding additional cooling to remove the extra heat produced by the 9800, by using an exausting PCI fan, will also help the PSU provide adequate voltage to the system, by reducing the amount of hot air moving out of the PSU.
Super heated air moving through the PSU reduces the cooling ability of the PSU. A hot PSU doesn't produce reliable power.
So, add the 9800, add some cooling, and enjoy!

What is the correct installation sequence for my ATI Radeon 9800 PRO MAC AGP 128MB into my Quicksilver 867 G4?

Hi.
I just got my used ATI Radeon 9800 PRO MAC AGP 128MB card.
What is the correct installation sequence into my Quicksilver 867 G4 running 10.4.11 on one drive 10.5 on another?
The original NVIDIA GeForce2 MX - 32MB SDRAM went bust.
Is the driver build in 10.4?
Do I remove the old driver?
If I need to install the driver that came with it, (10.3.6) should the card be installed first?
What about firmware updates?
Thank you for all your time and patience.
W.W.

I think it's the card, but here are some files that may affect it...
/Users/YourUserName/Library/Preferences/ByHost /com.apple.preference.displays.<12digitHex#>.plist
/Library/Preferences/com.apple.windowserver.plist
/Users/YourUserName/Library/Preferences/ByHost/com.apple.windowserver.<12digitHe x#>.plist
/Users/YourUserName/Library/Preferences/ByHost/.GlobalPreferences.<12digitHex#>. plist

ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB good upgrade from stock?

Hi,
I currently have an ATI Radeon 9650 in my Dual 2.0Ghz PowerMac G5.
I have found a good deal for an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB card.
Do you think it is a worthwhile purchase?
Specs on the 9800: http://www.superwarehouse.com/ATIRadeon_9800_Pro_Mac_Edition_128MB_VideoCard/100-435050/ps/333809

No, what you want is this.
http://www.ati.com/products/radeonx800/radeonX800xtme/index.html
buy page is here
http://www.ati.com/buy/pricesmacusa.html
It has a Dual Link and a ADC port on the back, so you can hook up anything from a 30" Apple (Dual Link) to any regular DVI (hooks up to Dual Link) to any legacy ADC (plastic) Apple display.
It's also the fastest current card on the market for your machine.
Check out the ATI upgrade program, you might qualify for a discount.
They send you the new card, you send them the old. But it may be wise to have two video cards, one for backup as they are getting scarce.
3D gaming is always pushing the video card envelope, so it's actually best to get the best right away to prolong your 3D gaming experience.
If you "half-step" it, then when you use a new game, it's crippled.
3D gaming performance is almost entirely video card performance dependent.
See Barefeats comparison here
http://www.barefeats.com/radx800.html
I have the new Rollercoaster Tycoon 3, which 3D animates all the rides. I've created a park that's only 1/4 of the available space and I'm getting dropped frames on my 6800GT and that's more powerful that the 128MB ATI card you mentioned.
Quake 4 runs great on my card, Doom 3 is fine, just a few stutters.
UT2004 runs great. Nanosaur 2 is very smooth.
So spend your money wisely, get the powerful card. Trust me.

[Athlon64] MSI K8T NEO-V : incompatibility with ATI RADEON 9800 PRO

Hi,
I read all the subjets on this forum about Radeon problems with MSI K8T NEO motherboard. Most of the peple can't use their graphic card in all situations.
My PC is :
-MSI K8T NEO-V
-AMD-64 3200
-Power : 400W
-ATI RADEON 9800 PRO
-1 Go DDRAM (2x512 in single channel)
-Hercules Digifires 7.1
I bought a new MSI K8T NEO-V with AMD 64.
The problem is that I can't use the computer in the games with AGP 8X even if I try to enable-disable all the options possibles in BIOS and Windows (fast write ...) : The computer freeze (screen disapear as if there was no video signal), reboot or return to Windows disabling the accelerated mode.
But in AGP 4X, all the game run without problem with all setups of BIOS !!!
I tried all the drivers (the new and the old drivers). Even if all are updated, it freeze.
There are no BIOS update for my motherboard. I saw that some people had BIOS update for compatibility with some Radeon cards ...
So, I don't know how to repair the problem because AGP 8X is AGP 8X and not 4X, and my Radeon run fine on other computer, and nothing say that Radeon 9800 pro don't run on this motherboard.
Does someone have the solution to make it work ? Does a new BIOS or driver update exist somewhere for Radeon cards ?

What Bas said about 30+ amps on the 12v rail does have merit. Even if you don't use it now there may come a time when you want to upgrade the system and certainly you won't want to buy yet another PSU then. A High end vid card now takes almost as much as the CPU to operate. Now days the 12v rail is the most important. Past systems regulated everything off the 5v railk and 12v was used mostly for powering drive motors. Now though the MB's use the 12v line to regulate all the voltages for the CPU, Chipset and other features as does the Vid cards. 3.3 volt lines are used for memory so we hardly use any 5v nowdays.
You have an older viod card and that does not eat much 12v but if you upgrade the most likely peice will be the vid card. You could go through this whole thing all over again if you are not careful to plan for that now with a new PSU purchase.
If the computer shop gives you a bunch of bull about power needs havbe them stop by the forum and we can help set them straight on this. There is more than enough data from MSI and historical data here that suggests that 16a on the 12v rail is certainly not enough. Hey I am not trying to sell you anything. I am just trying to help you get it right. The computer shop is the one trying to sell you something we just feel they are selling the wrong junk.

Video Artifacts: Radeon 9800 Pro + ACD 23 (Clear) + G5

Hi guys.
I've been experiencing some video artifacts with my retail version Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB (not the OEM "XT" version from Apple) which is driving my ACD 23" (Clear Enclosure), which is connected to a Dualie 2.5GHz G5 running Tiger 10.4.2.
Prior to installing the upgraded video card, I never had this problem, so I am pretty sure it's the card.
It has only happened to me when the G5 wakes from sleep. And it doesn't happen very often, either. Maybe 1 out of 20 wakes from sleep. The only way to get it back to normal is to turn off the G5 completely, disconnect the ADC connector cable from the back of the video card, and then reconnect it and reboot.
I also have a second display connected to a Radeon 7000 via VGA and when the artificats appear, the other display is just fine. The weird thing is that I can actually take a screen shot of the artifacts, which I thought wouldn't show up. I am not sure what that means, but I think the fact that I can take a screenshot of it tells me the display is being corrupted at the system level. Right?
Any help would be appreciated. TIA.
Here's a screenshot:
http://tinyurl.com/8jvtb

Hi Bryanus,
Did you have an ADC port on your old card? Do you still have your old card? If this is the case, you can verify that the new card is implicated by re-installing your old card and seeing whether the problem repeats itself.
If you only have DVI on your old card, you would have to borrow an adaptor, but then you are relying on the adaptor to function properly.
If the problem doesn't repeat itself with your old card being used, then the new card is the culprit, in which case I'd ask to have it replaced, or get a refund.
If the problem does repeat itself with the old card, then you might want to consider other possible contributing factors such as the physical state of the monitor connection (dirty or tarnished contacts, bent pins etc.).
If the problem repeats itself with a new (replacement) card, you could add AGP slot issues to the above paragraph.
"Sleep" in an Apple Mac often generates issues with third party hardware, so your primary consideration that it is probably the card is (to me anyway) still the most likely.
All the best with the diagnosis!
Cheers!
Karl

ATI Radeon 9800 PRO openGL Troubles

Machine Name: Power Mac G4
Machine Model: PowerMac3,5
CPU Type: PowerPC 60? (1.1)
Number Of CPUs: 1
CPU Speed: 2 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 1.25 GB
Bus Speed: 133 MHz
Display
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro:
Chipset Model: ATY,R350
Type: Display
Bus: AGP
Slot: SLOT-1
VRAM (Total): 128 MB
Vendor: ATI (0x1002)
Device ID: 0x4e48
Revision ID: 0x0000
ROM Revision: 113-A07525-130
I have been looking for someone with the same or similar problem as mine to no avail
Ok so heres my problem...a few months ago i noticed that the screen saver had frozen on my G4 mac
At the time i didn't think anything of it so i try to reboot but it wouldn't get any further than the "Blue" screen after weeks of trouble shooting, reading through logs and surfing what felt like 90% of the net i tracked it down to the "ATI Radeon9700 Extensions" in my system folder.
As you can see from above i have a "ATI Radeon 9800 PRO" and i presume that it runs off the 9700 drivers because there are no 9800 extenstions in the driver updates from ATI....
Anyway this is the strange bit ....if i boot up in "Safe Mode" and delete all the "ATI Radeon9700 Extenstions" below
ATIRadeon9700.kext
ATIRadeon9700DVDDriver.bundle
ATIRadeon9700GA.plugin
ATIRadeon9700GLDriver.bundle
ATIRadeon9700VADriver.bundle
Then trash...
Extensions.kextcache
Extensions.mkext
Then put a new copy of the "Radeon9700 Extensions" from the 10.4.8 upgrade back in, it boots fine.
These extensions come with the apple OS updates so everytime i upgrade the OS i have to go through the above steps again.
I am starting to think that the openGL capabilities of my card is fooked because the screensaver that im talking about is "Flurry" and it is really jerky now if i try to run it
I know that the SS users openGL
Also if i try and launch UT2k4 i get a crash log error of "unable to create pixel format.
This is what the boot up log looks like before i trash the extensions
13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 962:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 963:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 964:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 965:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 966:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 967:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 968:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 969:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 970:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 971:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 972:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 973:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 974:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 975:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 976:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 977:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 978:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 979:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 980:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 981:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 982:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 983:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 984:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 985:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 986:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:04 localhost kernel[0]: 987:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 988:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 989:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 990:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 991:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 992:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 993:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 994:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 995:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 996:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 997:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 998:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 999:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1000:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1001:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1002:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1003:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1004:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1005:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1006:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1007:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1008:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1009:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1010:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1011:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1012:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1013:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1014:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1015:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1016:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1017:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1018:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1019:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1020:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1021:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1022:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 1023:0xffffffff
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: 0xaeba99b7
Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: ** ASIC Hang Log End **
Dec 28 13:13:02 localhost kernel[0]: ATIRadeon9700::waitfor_rbspace: Overflowed block waiting for FIFO space. Have 2, need 5. RBBM_STATUS 0x8401c100
Dec 28 13:13:12 localhost kernel[0]: ** ASIC Hang Log Start **
Dec 28 13:13:12 localhost kernel[0]: 0x01004e48 4f000207 00000007 20080178
Dec 28 13:13:12 localhost kernel[0]: 0x13c280a4 c0003a0c 00000002 00000008
Dec 28 13:13:12 localhost kernel[0]: 0x80000003 0000001f 00002a2a 8401c100
Dec 28 13:13:12 localhost kernel[0]: 0x00000002 00100000 51b3a220 40000000
Dec 28 13:13:12 localhost kernel[0]: 0x60000000 0002000a 0008bbbb 00000000
Dec 28 13:13:12 localhost kernel[0]: 0x00000003 0000444f 10031004
Dec 28 13:13:12 localhost kernel[0]: 0:0x000101ce
There was a lot more of this but i dont want to spam the thread
This is the interesting bit...
" Dec 28 13:03:05 localhost kernel[0]: ** ASIC Hang Log End **
Dec 28 13:13:02 localhost kernel[0]: ATIRadeon9700::waitfor_rbspace: Overflowed block waiting for FIFO space. Have 2, need 5. RBBM_STATUS 0x8401c100"
Any ideas ...please dont just say"Buy a new card" i would really like to get to the bottom of this...if it turns out that my card is fried then fair enough
Quick silver 2002 Mac OS X (10.4.8) processor upgrade to 2Ghz gigadesign 7A</

I'm getting exactlly the same error. This occures after several weeks of sudden & spontaneous shutdowns. And now I get this error whenever I try to launch W.o.W.
Feb 25 07:41:52 drive-0 kernel[0]: ** ASIC Hang Log End **
Feb 25 07:41:53 drive-0 kernel[0]: ATIRadeon9700::waitfor_rbspace: Overflowed block waiting for FIFO space. Have 2, need 5. RBBM_STATUS 0x80016100
Feb 25 07:42:04 drive-0 kernel[0]: ** ASIC Hang Log Start **
Now, my card is actually a 9800 Pro. I think it's something to do with OpenGL. I'm gonna try to launch other apps that access OpenGL directly and see what I get.

Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb troubles :\

Hey,
I'm not used to post things on a forum but now I'm getting quite desperate. I've been searching and surfing the net for possible solutions but none worked until now.
Sometimes my v-card's drivers hang, or that's what I think. The image freezes, but the mouse can keep on moving (nothing will react anymore and even when I'm typing this, it happened already 1 times). After that "freeze" of about 2-3 seconds, the screen will "click" like you hear when you change resolution in the display properties. After that, the screen comes back and most of the time, everything is ok, except from the fact that sometimes a window like this (mozilla) is resized to 800*600 or 640*480 size .. (not sure)
But sometimes, the screen goes black after clicking and will never come back, only a reset can help this situation.
And sometimes (rare) the screen begins to show artifacts on the screen (not in games, just windows) and this gets worse and worse until you can't see and have to reset.
When anything of this happens during a game, a recover doesn't seem to be possible at all.
-> this suggests it's a driver problem...
Now I've read about fastwrites (not available in current bios - but i heard it's available in the new bios which i didn't upgrade yet because i'm a bit afraid of the procedure as I don't have a FAT system nor a win98/ME boot disk and I'm using winXP pro) which I disabled in the catalyst drivers
I've tried to lower the AGP acceleration
I've tried Omega drivers
I've turned on and off the VPU recover
I've checked my PSU - even disconnected everything but v-card, hdd and nic and my PSU (Antec case) can give 16A/28A/35A in 12v/5v/3.33v rails...
A clean install of windows won't help
Direct X version doesn't matter
And all starts after the first catalyst driver installation after the fresh windows install.
Please help,
If you think there's some info missing, don't hesitate to ask, I'm an experience PC user so you can ask me pretty much everything about anything (I think) and I'll followup this post frequently. Anything that can help me find the cause will be appreciated. Until now I didn't want to return the card under warranty because I know I'll have to miss it quite some time then. :(
PC spec:
MSI 6547 (Sis645) Mobo
P4 1.6A (OC'ed or not, doesn't change anything)
Hercules Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb
Windows XP Pro - SP1

i read that the bios update adds the "enable fast write" function, but at what value is it whitout the update ?
if it's enabled by default, then it could be the problem
but i'll look into the site you gave and try to flash the bios tomorrow
i'll post the results and try the card in another pc if it didn't work :\

Nvidia GeForce4 Ti 4600 or ATI Radeon 9800 Pro for G4 "Sawtooth"?

Which video card would be the best 2x AGP upgrade for a G4 "Sawtooth" that sometimes uses Photoshop 6 in OS 9 Classic mode, an Nvidia GeForce4 Ti 4600 or an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (or something else)?
Sincerely,
John

Hi-
Boot to OS 9 and the Geforce is better.
In OS X Classic mode, the 9800 is better.

Stock Radeon 9800 Pro card from a G5--- Will it work in my G4 Quicksilver?

I am thinking about purchasing a stock Radeon 9800 Pro card that came with certain G5 machines and use it in my G4 Quicksilver 867mhz machine. I heard that this works. Is it true? Can I download the drivers from the ATI website? Are there any issues I should be aware of? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Hi-
If it is the OEM 9800 Pro, then it is an 8x AGP, backwards compatible to 4x AGP.
Your QS is 4x AGP, and the card should work.
Drivers are here:
http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/mac/macosx10-4x-3x-radeon.html
The 9800 is a great card!
G4AGP(450)Sawtooth, 2ghz PowerLogix, 2gbRAM, 300gbSATA+160gb HD, ATI Radeon 9800 Mac OS X (10.4.8) Pioneer DVR-109, LaCie 160gb, 23"Cinema Display, Ratoc USB2.0, Nikon Coolscan

Radeon 9800 pro 256mb hanging on blue screen

I'm deep in the waters of frustration right now, and am hoping someone here might have the answer.
About 3 months ago I was looking for a video card for me to run motion. I saw the 9800 mac special edition with 128mb video ram had rave reviews. At that time ATI was not making them. So I turned to eBay...
I purchased a card that was advertised as a Mac 9800 pro special editing 128mb. I later found out it was a flashed pc card. The ebay seller told me the card worked fine on all his mac's that he tested it on.
The problem I was having was the machine boots up, I see the grey screen with the Apple logo and spinning wheel. I see the blue screen where normally I see the login progress bar loading the OS. But with this card I only see the blue screen. I hear the hard drive churning, so I am assuming it is still loading the OS, but I cannot see anything. I can reboot in safe mode and the video card works fine.
Well... I assumed it was the fault of the card and that it was flashed. I returned the card to the ebay seller, who sent me another one, same results with that one. I returned the card to the seller and he refunded my money.
I put the money toward the just released Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition 256mb card. I just got it a couple days ago and am experiencing the same problems. I have tried everything... everything I know and still can't get the card to work? Here is a list of what I have done:
With the flashed card:
1. Shut off computer and unplugged it. Removed OEM video card and installed ATI 9800 card. Plugged the power supply cable for the card into the computer power supply cable and hard drive.
Problem Occurs: When starting up, the grey screen comes up with the Apple on it, then the screen turns blue, where I typically would see the progress bar of the system loaded up before the user login screen. I only see a blue screen at this point but can hear the hard drive working for about a min.
2. Restarted the computer in safe mode.
3. Logged in as Admin user and opened the ATI preference pane to verify it sees the card.
When the ATI preference pane was loaded the following error message occured:
A startup problem has occured.
Cannot connect to ATI TVOut Kernal Extension. Some features are not available.
Clicked OK and the ATI preference pane appears.
4. Close the preference pane and reinstalled ATI Displays 4.5.6. Restarted computer.
Problem Occurs
5. Restarted computer holding down AppleOption+PR to clear PRAM. Cleared the PRAM 4 times in a row, by allowing the chime to happen 4 times.
Problem Occurs
6. Shut computer down. Disconnected the DVI plug for the cinema display and connected a VGA CRT monitor. Started computer.
Problem Occurs
7. Shut computer down, disconnected the VGA CRT monitor. Reconnected DVI plug and restarted computer.
Problem Occurs
8. Started the computer in safe mode. Logged into admin account. Opened the ATI Preference pane.
When the ATI preference pane was loaded the following error message occured:
A startup problem has occured.
Cannot connect to ATI TVOut Kernal Extension. Some features are not available.
Closed preference pane.
Went to ATI site and downloaded:
aug2005-radeo-universal-rom-update.dmg
Ran the updater.
Restarted computer.
Problem Occurs.
9. Restarted the computer in safe mode. Changed the login preference pannel to automatically log into the administrator account. Restarted computer, waited for the blue screen, then walked away for about 2 hours with the computer on blue screen, hoping the system was loading or doing something.
Problem Occurs.
10. Put in the TechTools Pro CD, hoping to run some tests on the video card from the cd. When booting from the CD OS...
Problem Occurs.
11. Enabled Root user. Logged in as root and installed ATI Displays 4.5.6 from there. Restarted computer.
Problem Occurs.
12. Shut down computer and installed old video card.
13. On an internal hard drive in the computer. Wiped the drive and formatted it. Installed 10.4.1 on the drive. booted up into the drive, installed ATI drivers, shut down computer, installed 9800 pro video card, booted up.
Problem Occurs.
With the new 9800 for Mac ATI card with 256mb:
With original card, install drivers, repairpermissions, shut down, install new card
Set to restart in single user, give 5 min to see if ATI monitor startup item in user starteputems loads
Hooked VGA & DVIt in together, both showed blue screen
Reset NVRAM via open firmware
Reset cuda button
Take battery out, wait at least 10 min, re-install new battery, press cuda button
Reinstall ATI update 4.5.6
Reset nvram from open firmware
In ATI control panel, selected 'Force Single Display Operation'
Change display scaling to 50%
Download latest Mac OS update from apple & reinstall
Help?

I get dizzy just thinking about it.
I have tried installed a brand new OS, 3 different times on a different Hard Drive, still the card doesn't work.
I had one person suggest that it may be the card is not communicating with the OS Window Drawing module? (excuse my ignorance of what that is really called. I just know there is some program, possibly in the kernel, that is responsible for drawing out the OS windows.)
How can we rule out that it is a bad AGP slot?
•The slot works fine with my 9000.
•It works in safe mode with the 9800.
•I have installed a brand new OS, three different times, still doesn't work.
•I have used Apple Hardware test to test my hardware, the AGP slot didn't report any problems.
I am assuming that the AGP slot is working. Although I worry about it a bit, because by now I have swapped cards in it about 50 times in my troubleshooting.
Here is a link to a complete list of everything I have tried:
http://www.macosx.com/help/qview.php?questionid=19554#54138

G5 graphics card error: ATI Radeon 9800 pro

Hi there,
The display on my mac has all of sudden gone haywire, there's bars across the entire screen that keep on changing colours/flickering etc, and when I try to drag open windows they become blocks of noisey colour.
So far i've tried resetting PRAM/NVRAM, ran the hardware test which picks up an error on the VRAM which is: 2ATI/1/4:113-A1440; ;16 (I think, it's very difficuilt to read properly), also pulled the graphics card out, given it a bit of a dust etc and put it back in to no avail. I've also tried plugging in another monitor which had the same problem.
I'm assuming my graphics card's fried, but I wanted to check on here to see if anyone had any other ideas. I'm slightly wary about splashing out on a new card when i'm not completely sure it's the card that's the problem, it could be the logic board for all I know. Also not too keen in taking it to the apple shop as it'll be away for up to two weeks, and I really need a working machine just now.
My specs are G5 single 1.8ghz, 512 ram, ATI Radeon 9800 pro card (not the special edition)
Apologies for the long message, and for any spelling mistakes as I can barely see what i'm typing, any advice most appreciated.

I would suggest first blowing compressed air all around the inside including logic board and video card (if you are adept at removing the card and reinstalling the better, careful not braking the AGP clip at the end of the slot that latches into the end of the card). Also keep the can upright at all times. This should help dislodge dust that build up over time and may cause overheating and unusual operation.
Then run Apple Hardware Test disc that came with your computer and run the extended test. It should at least help give you an idea if it's the logic board and/or video card. It's not 100% failsafe, but worth a shot.

Digital Audio G4 and Radeon 9800 Pro

Has anyone had the same fuss w/a Digital Audio and ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition? Been through about 5 cards (lost count somewhat) and constantly getting a display of the video card (with its power connector flashing red) on a black screen. Only by opening the box and reconnecting the power connections, and sometimes reseating the card, do I get successful results, with the Mac booting properly.
No other card (others that I use do not require an additional power connector like the 9800 does) seems to have this problem; all boot properly.
There is a Sonnet 1.8 Ghz Dual CPU upgrade, 2 internal hard drives, a raid card, and FW 800 and FW 400/USB2 cards, but additional power connections for those have been unplugged. I'm good with letting any external devices run on their own power.
Thanks much, to anyone that may have a suggestion or a solution.

Hi-
With regards to the connector graphic, this invariably means that there isn't power connected.
State the obvious, but, have you tried pulling power from a different connector? Maybe try a new extension........ Molex connectors can work loose from the cap, and slide back when attaching to a device. This would give the appearance of being connected, though in reality, otherwise.
Have you tried without any of the PCI cards installed? I wouldn't want to remove the processor, either, though the dual does pull some power at boot. The DA PSU, however, should be able to handle both the processors and the 9800..... unless the PSU has a weak 12v/5v/3.3v rail....
Pulling the PCI cards will clear up whether or not the problem is with power in the PCI bus.
As for posting a picture, you need to host the picture at a site like Photobucket or Imageshack. Then, place a link (produced at the host site) in your thread.

Aperture and ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition

I have noticed a few people on this board have the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB- G5 only) listed on thier specs on the bottom of posts
so I was wondering what your experience using this card is like with Aperture, even-though it I realize that it is not the current top of the line card ?
How about a rating from 0 to 5 stars where 5 would be the best currently available.
Robert
P.S lets not get into a p**** match over what IS the best video card for Aperture; I am just looking for subjective views on THIS card!

I have noticed a few people on this board have the
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition (256MB- G5
only) listed on thier specs on the bottom of posts
so I was wondering what your experience using this
card is like with Aperture, even-though it I realize
that it is not the current top of the line card ?
How about a rating from 0 to 5 stars where 5 would be
the best currently available.
I have just the card you mentioned.
I think how happy you'd be with it depends on what kinds of files you are using. I work with TIFF files because my camera is not supported, and performance with those is better than with true RAW files.
I generally do not see much delay but a few adjustmnet tools (Shadows & Highlights & Spot/Patch) can get a bit pokey.
Honestly if I were upgrading my card all over again I would bit the bullet and get the x800XT, which I am mulling over even now... I was hoping it might drop a bit more in price but it does not seem to be doing so.
If you want an absolute rating I guess I'd give it three stars, though again that is with the files that I use. For other larger RAW formats like D2H files and such, I think it's more of a two.
One last thing to note is that I have not tired other raw formats since the update, so it might be upgraded from a two... I was waiting to see what kind of speedup Aperture 1.1 offered in addition to just the system update. I'll report back when that update comes out.

K7N2 and Radeon 9800 Pro Prob..

I work at a computer store in Killeen texas and am having an issue with the K7n2 Mobo. When we use a Radeon 9800 pro from ATI, we do not get video on every boot. The system will go itno windows but will not show a post screen or windows. This only happend with version 3.4 of the bios. We downgraded to version 3.3 And the card worked perfect. Their is a new 3.5 Bios. Was wondering if I should upgrade to this bios or Leave it at 3.3. By the way....We tried three other K7n2 boards and two different Raddy9800s. We also had a similar prob with the All in wonder 8500. And again version 3.3 of the bios worked fine. Any Ideas....

leave it at 3.3 as its not changed
but its not all boards and all ati its wierd

G4 450 AGP to Radeon 9800 Pro upgrade low down.

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