G4 Dual 450 Boot Problem

Ive been reading other issues that others have been having. Ive got a 450 agp that I upgraded to a dual 450. I hadnt used it in a while and when I tried using it again, it would cut on, but no video, startup sound or light on button. Before I read the help column, I ordered another processor and heatsink thinking that was the problem. I installed the new processor and the cpu would start but had some issues. So I took everything off to test the other motherboard and when I re-hook up the new board; Nothing happened. The no light on power, no sound or video issue happens.
Ive looked up and performed the reset cuda, pram process numerous times for nothing to happen. I even bought a new battery, and stripped the motherboard down to nothing; waited 30 minutes and followed the reinstall procedure given and still nothing. Now maybe once is ok, but 2 motherboards and 2 processor is unlikely. Anyone experienced similar and can help???

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To be clear, what model motherboard are you using?
What CPU are you trying to use?
Have you tested the PSU (power supply) for power?
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