G4 internal hard drive - easy question

I use a G4 Sawtooth on which I've replaced the internal ZIP with a 40GB hard drive from another Mac. If I drag it to the trash, does it spin down, or does it simply disappear from the desktop?

Some folks complain that dragging to the Trash is counter-intuitive, and implies destruction of the drive. Dragging such an Icon to the Trash was actually a shortcut for a two-step process:
1) Eject - which used to leave the "ghost" image of the drive on the desktop, and would nag you to re-insert it if needed.
2) "Put Away" the ghost image (or drag the ghost image to the Trash) - which meant you did not want to talk about that drive any more \[but were not trashing the drive itself, which had been previously ejected].

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