G4 MDD for gaming (Tiger & some classic) single v dual questions . .

I'm setting up a computer for gaming.
OS X 10.4.11 (or 10.3 if thats better suited?)
Unreal, Icewind dale, Giants, Sacred, Shadow Bane, etc . .
All the older games 00 -04
Would it make more sense to use a 1.25 single cpu vs 867DP or 1Ghzdp?
Since tiger does not spport dual core, I'd assume most of the games don't either?
I know the 1.25 (or even a 1ghz single) runs much cooler than the dual under load.
Basically is a dual a waste without using Leopard or software that supports multi core cpu?
Any ideas?
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When you say tiger is dual processor aware, how is it and when does it benefit?
Multi threading is supported in dual processor machines, allowing for the distribution of tasks (within one or with multiple tasks), making for faster performance. Boot, OS background services and processes, multi tasking, etc., are all improved and utilize the OS X multi processor/multi threading ability.
Granted, the processes are relatively rudimentary (as compared to forthcoming OS versions), but the support is there.
A major factor is that accompanying software must also be multi processor aware to gain benefits beyond OS X functions.
also how does this matter if the game is not dual processor aware?
No (or little) benefit will be derived from multi processors with SP processor optimized software.
Some CPU intensive gaming will be improved, simply due the the multithreading ability of the OS X core services.
Some DP aware software define which tasks are broken between two processors. In the case of UT2004, the audio portion is assigned to a separate processor, to allow more computational power of the other processor to be applied to graphics.
Other software simply allows the OS services to assign threads as the system protocols dictate.
This is only possible with a multi processor aware OS.
Actually, the ability of the OS to be DP aware began in OS 9. 3rd party software, however, was slow to take advantage of the ability.
Currently, multi processing aware software has to add multi core awareness to gain full benefit of current machines like the Mac Pro.
This is one of the big areas of development in OS X 10.6.
(When I used the term dual core, I just meant dual processors as in the mdd series)
I figured that you know the difference, but many don't. Keeping the terms straight is for the benefit of clarity and for all readers.

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