G4 QuickSilver 2002 Dual Drawer With 2-DVDs Needed--Slot 1 & Slot 2

Guys/Gals:
I have a dual door G-4 QuickSilver (2002) with a new Pioneer 110D drive in the upper Slot 1. Below that in Slot 2 is an empty 3.5" "Zip" drive housing.
I there a way to remove the present 5.25 inch housing and 3.5 inch zip housing and replace it with a mirrored door housing--or an aftermarket 5.25 inch housing so I can put the old DVD-RW-104 Pioneer drive in Slot 2 and keep my new Pioneer 16 x DVD drive in Slot 1.
I would gladly remove the front panel--providing it is not prohibitive-- if that is necessary and the replace present 5.25" housing. I would prefer to use the second slot in the QuickSilver as I have some desk space issues.
I saw on the Apple site that the mirrored door QuickSilvers have two 5.25" Drives-- one under the upper drive with a single housing.
http://www.info.apple.com/usen/cip/pdf/g4mdd/g4mdd-opdrive.pdf
I wonder wil this approach work--and will it be worth it.
Any other suggestions or resolutions to my issue.
bobg
POWER MAC G-4 (933 MHz QuickSilver) Mac OS X (10.4.5) iSite

Although not quite as involved as THIS, modding a QS case still involves cutting the sheet metal front casing, and modifiying the drive mounting case to accept a full-size drive.
It can be done, as the processor/heatsink is not in the way, as is the case with pre-Digital Audio G4's.
You will need ARDIEM to re-map a function key to eject the drive, as Apple's Option-Eject on works with MoBo's (MDD G4) that natively support two full-size optical drives.
xlr8yourmac.com used to have a link to a QS mod, but it has been dead for years now. elroyonline.com modded his QS G4, but never posted the photos online. You could drop him an email.

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hello to all reading,
i've been going through the forums and i can't seem to find the help i need, so i'm getting brave and asking, and please, if this is the wrong place, i apologize. however, any help is SOOO appreciated.
my question is, i bought an iomega external usb dvd writer 16x, mac compantiable, but having problem after problem and going through blank dvds like nothing. i was wondering, could i say just bypass the software they gave and just use the hardware and use something like mac toast instead of the software they gave. the hardware itself is a dual layer burner.
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sofaking78,
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Whatever course you take, rest assured that there are plenty of members here who would be more than happy to help you with whatever you need to do. Somebody here has successfully done just about anything Mac-related before. Please remember that even the most experienced member did everything for the first time, at one time or another, relying on someone else to help out.
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