G5 PowerMac + Aftermaket "N" PCI Cards

Hello All
Just wondering if anyone has used the NewerTech or such PCI wirelss "N" cards ?
I have a Airport Extreme Base Station (Fast Ethernet)at one end of the house my G5 is at the other end of the house, I need to increase the signal at the computer, also it's "G": at the moment, so converting to "n" may help this ??
Any suggestions
Thanks

Hi,
I have the NewerTech usb stick, it works most of the time, but the drivers are picky and do not always work. I would not count on it for a remote reboot.
Hope that helps!
Tom

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However, just because older PM 7600s are not listed, it appears to be hardware compatible. It could be something related to the fact that you used XPostFacto to run OS 10.4. Many older PMs could only use 2-port USB PCI cards. On my old PM 6500, I used a Belkin model F5U005 2-port USB PCI card. I don't know if this card would provide USB 2.0 when running 10.4.
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The expansion slots support universal and +3.3 V cards, but not 5 V signalling. The cards are required to use the standard PCI fence described in the specification.
Note: 5 V keyed or signalling cards do not work in the Power Mac G5 computer.
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http://resale.headgap.com/
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Hi everyone, I have an old g4 desktop it runs on 0S 10.3. I want to get connected to my wireless router but I am getting a bit confused on what I need to buy to do this. I have looked on ebay at pci cards, usb cards

Hi everyone,
I have an old g4 desktop which runs on osx 10.3. I want to get it connected to my wireless router but I don't know what I need to buy to do this. I have tried a usb card which did not work. Do I need a pci card or an airport extreme card?
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To build on what Tesserax says, not all USB sticks will work on Panther, but here is one that does:
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I have one of these and it works with both a PowerMac G4 running Leopard and a 1998 PowerBook G3 running Panther.
And here's a little more free advice.
Some of the older G4 desktops like my PowerMac 3,6 only take the original AirPort card, which is different from the newer machines that take the newer AirPort Extreme card. Both are available if you hunt for them, but modern WPA-2 encryption is not supported on the original AirPort card, so it will not be able to join your network if it has this encryption. The newer AirPort Extreme airport card does support WPA-2 encryption, as does the NewerTech USB AirPort stick. If your G4 takes the older card, you cannot plug in the newer AirPort Extreme card. I have not looked lately, but I believe the sockets themselves are different. In any event, the NewerTech USB stick is cheaper than an AirPort card.
If you don't already have Mactracker, you can download it for free here:
http://mactracker.ca/
You can look up your Mac on it and see which AirPort card it has. You can also check out what upgrades are available.
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http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1992430&tstart=0
Hello again
The solution that fixed the issue was to be short lived
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2009-05-01 14:11:37 +0100
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see http://sourceforge.net/projects/menucracker
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Suggestion To Apple: PCIe Cards On Apple Store

TWIMC,
I'm probably posting this in the wrong place, but here goes. I picked up a Mac Pro last week and I'm thrilled so far. My only problem is that I need to replace the Firewire and USB2 cards in my PowerMac with PCIe versions for the Pro. They're not easy to find.
Which brings me to the point. It would be win-win if Apple put these as third-party options on their store. Saves customers scrabbling for hard-to-find cards, Apple sells more, third parties make money too. Everybody's happy. PCIe is still the exception out here. Almost all PCs have PCI slots as well as PCIe so they don't need these cards like we do.

You can find info if you look.
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you say that I will see huge performance gains...but depending on my raid configuration my reads or writes may suffer.
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... a bunch of SCSI cables in there with black boxes on the end of the cables, I'm guessing those are the terminators?
Probably so. SCSI terminators for this application are typically about 1+1/4 inches long and about 2 inches wide. If they are labeled, they should say "LVD" or "LVD/SE".
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