G5 with Panther 10.3.9?

Hi,
Does anyone know if it is possible to run G5 2gig imac with Panther? I'm trying to get imovie 5 to actually work. I have done 3 re-installs of Tiger this last time with no updates-just what came with the discs but imovie is ubstable.
I installed Panther on an external firewire drive & imovie 5 runs well so far( & boots OK). Only problem, the fan on the imac won't stop . If I randomly move the slider in Power options, the fan stops but restarts about 30sec. later.
I've also posted this question in imovie 5 forum.
Does anybody know why the fan goes nuts & whether I could install Panther on G5 imac?
Mark

I have a "Rev. A" 1.8 GHZ iMac with 1 gig of memory and iMovieHD runs fine with OS 10.3.9. In fact, I'm recording a Sherlock Holmes movie from Turner Classic Movie using iMovieHD onto my iMac while I'm writing this with my G4 TiBook. I qualified for the Tiger upgrade and received the disks but I hesitate to install it until Apple releases three or four bug fixes - they are only up to two so far. To install OS 10.3.9 I think you'll have to erase the disk that Tiger is on since I think the installer will not let you install Panther over the newer Tiger.
My fan also seems to run a lot and the CPU seems to be very active (according to MenuMeters) as if it's running some background program - see my post from yesterday.
Good luck.

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