Gamut warning preview in Camera Raw?

I'm running Photoshop CS4 Extended v. 11.0 on Mac OS X 10.5.6.
Having marvelled at the tools in the new Camera Raw I have found gamut problems for CMYK print files once in Photoshop - is there a gamut preview in Camera Raw so I can save having to post-correct these files?
Many thanks.

I understand that ACR was not intended to produce printer's plates but it is intended to produce images that will end up in InDesign and then on a printing press so I think it would be a useful feature if the gamut preview was an option when adjusting images in ACR.
I always leave the CMYK conversion until the last moment, as adjustments are more easily made in RGB but, having had a photographer sitting beside me, pushing me to get more saturation out of his images it would save the explanations, time and disappointment when I bring them into the document and check the gamut warning preview in Photoshop and find they need de-saturation and/or colour balancing.
In this case I am processing the raw files for the photographer but, if he or another photographer had done the processing themselves in ACR (without looking at the result in Photoshop with gamut preview) I'd have the same problem.
It's a pity because I will be less inclined to trust the effect the great tools in ACR will have on an image destined for print.

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I have noticed something about the Lightroom (3.6) previews and Camera Raw cache that have me puzzled.
I create a brand new empty catalog and purge the Camera Raw Cache.
Then I import ONE Nikon RAW (NEF) file with dimensions 2592 x 3872 (10 megapixels - 10,036,224 pixels).
Next I export that NEF file to an uncompressed 8-bit TIFF file. You would expect the size of that TIFF file to be roughly 30 megabytes (10 megapixels x 3 bytes per RGB value) and in fact the TIFF file is 30,135,830 bytes in size. If you export the same TIFF file but specify ZIP compression the resulting file size is 10,834,038 bytes. Obviously the compression obtained here is going to be highly specific to the image but so far no surprises.
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I'm wondering if I've missed something obvious in my analysis and if not, whether someone might care to speculate as to what magic Adobe is practicing here. Even if we grant them some special algorithm to compress their previews I don't see how they can achieve a compression so much greater than the ZIP-compressed TIFF file achieves.
And for those that might think to ask - I've repeated these experiments with multiple raw images and on both the PC and MAC platforms.
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MadMan and Hal - thanks so much.
So that was my D'Oh moment of what I was missing - the use of re-rendered JPGS as previews. That certainly does fit with the file sizes I am seeing. I had naively assumed that the previews might have tried to preserve the full fidelity of the image - But as you suggest that full fidelity is likely only there in the develop module.
This perhaps explains another observation from the Develop module - moving from one image to another might display "Loading" either briefly or across a longer duration. My guess is that the length of the loading process might have to do more with what is cached in RAM than cached on disk in the camera raw cache. More of a shame then that 64-bit Lightroom on 64-Bit Windows cannot grab more RAM than it seems to do at present.

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I was reading in one of the Photoshop magazines that there was a way to selectively preview attributes in Camera Raw but I can't remember how to do it.
To be more specific: When you are working in one of the develop tabs ( any of the upper left special tabs) in camera raw and toggle the preview button it only shows you the preview for that specific tab (compared to the original raw file). I want to know how I can preview the original image compared to ALL of the attributes I've changed at once OR only preview the one specific attribute that I've changes compared to the original raw file.
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Rod Klein
www.rhkuw.com

Terminology-wise, your description of what you want seems to be off a little, since there's not really an "original raw file" per se.
There are the settings you started with, i.e., the Camera Raw Defaults (if the raw file has not been opened before) - or - the stored Image Settings for this raw file (if you opened it before). I'm assuming what you're asking for is a way to see the current entire batch of settings, vs. what you started with.
When you make control changes, the set of parameters is now considered Custom Settings.
The way that comes to mind to compare is to click the fly-out menu icon and choose Image Settings (i.e., the settings you started with), or Custom Settings (i.e., your current changes since starting with the image this session).
-Noel
P.S., This key summary is often helpful:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WS982EFD65-8549-4c58-AD7D-0C2C2C39DAF1a.htm l
Unfortunately, I know of no way to assign keys to menu items in Camera Raw. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, just that I don't know of a way.

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In all the time i've used camera raw i never knew about that and am really surprised that adobe would put something like in the camera raw dialog.
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I know many are complaining about LR4 responsiveness and how LR3 was faster in response.
Like many others, I have a new and very fast PC, however it seems that LR4 is crawling when it comes to navigtaing through images.
I've done my share bit of tweaking LR4 to get the best optimized results such as, Optimize catalogs, Render 1:1 previews, Increase Camera Raw cache size to 30GB, move the Camera Raw Cache folder next to the catalog folder as Adobe recommends and what not.
LR4 didn't become more responsive, however I did notice something strange, which is the topic of this post.
While filddeling around with LR4 performance issues on my PC, I've noticed that even though I have over 20,000 images in my PC and some folders are rendered with 1:1 previews, the Camera Raw Cache folder is empty.
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Firstly, to clarify, Previews and Camera RAW files are not the same thing. Previews are simple, just jpeg representations of the raw file, at various resolutions used principally in the Library module and filmstrip.
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After installation of latest Bridge and Photoshop version (2014.2.2) *.CR2 files will not be displayed correctly, neither in preview nor in Camera Raw dialog.

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First see if a reboot of your PC helps. If not,
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Bridge: Start Adobe Bridge and immediately press Ctrl+Alt+Shift (Windows) or Command+Option+Shift (Mac OS) until the Reset Settings dialog box appears. Select all three options--Reset Preferences, Reset Standard Workspaces, and Purge Entire Thumbnail Cache--and then click OK.
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I make some adjustments
I click "Done"
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Now, it works like this:
Open a .CR2
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The preview and thumbnail don't show all the adjustments. I can't see the results of noise removal, but I can see a drastic change in Exposure
If I double-click the CR2 file, it opens in Camera Raw, and I see all my adjustments, including noise removal.
Here's what I've tried, but saw no difference (I restarted Bridge every time):
Purge Cache
Purge Cache for Selection
Replaced Camera Raw plug-in as described here: Camera Raw 8.4 | No metadata or Camera Raw edit
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Reset Preferences
Reset Standard Workspaces
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Why don't I see the noise removal effect in the previews? I am sure I saw it a few weeks ago. I rely on that, to help me sort and cull photos.
I'm hoping there's a preference toggle that I accidentally changed. It's definitely a puzzle. (Version: Bridge CS6 5.0.1.21 5.0.2.4)
Message was edited by: moonatwork after updating Bridge version. I tried all the above fixes again, after updating Bridge. It actually got worse. I tried replacing the Camera Raw plugin, which failed as before. I then restored the previous plugin, as before, but Bridge now fails to honor the preference, "Double-Click Edits Camera Raw Settings in Bridge" and instead always opens Photoshop.

Thanks, Omke. I tried updating, then applying all the same fixes to the updated version. No change.
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Type:    GPU
Bus:    PCIe
Slot:    Slot-1
PCIe Lane Width:    x16
VRAM (Total):    512 MB
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Bus:    PCIe
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Image apears and stays like when we open it in camera raw in the first few seconds with the yellow exclamation mark.
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Months ago the only solution i found after several instals was to turn back to camera raw 6.5.
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Frau S aus B wrote:
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Therefore you will never be able to open raw CR2 files from the 6D directly in CS5.
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I've downloaded the Adobe DNG converter, but would much prefer to using my existing workflow if possible.
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Adobe doesn't support CS5, an when I spoke to Apple, I was told that this is a known issue with OS 10.8.5 and that they're working on a patch. In the meantime I'm using Adobe's DNG as a workaround.
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