Garageband Amp Sim Preset Problem?

Hi everyone. I just had to reinstall Garageband 2, and I was playing around with the Amp Simulations when I noticed something that I wasn't sure was a problem or not. When I click on "Manual" to select an Amp Type, in addition to "American Clean," "American Crunch", "American Lead," and so forth, there is also "Big Wheels," "Classic Rock," "English Channel," and "Thick Jazz," which is kind of weird seeing as how those are also Amp presets.
I did a clean install, but this seems odd for some reason. Are these Amp types supposed to be under the Manual setting? What are other people's settings?
Thanks in advance!

It seems the Manual menu is only presets. If you click on the pencil icon, the amp controls open, there are both he manual tab as well as the "Model" tab. The Manual is the presets, and the model sets the amp. I don't use them, but I think yours are OK, since mine are the same as you describe.

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