Geforce 9800 GT Running On Early Mac Pro (EFI32)

I arrived at this point from another thread, which is here:
http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=8988306#8988306
To make a long story short, I now have a 9800 GT running safely on my early Mac Pro.
It is a single GPU solution and it works reliably under both Mac OS X and Boot Camp Vista Ultimate 32 and is the fastest GPU (according to the Open GL benchmarks) I've ever seen on any Mac Pro. Absolutely no artifacts under either environment and the Crysis series is easily handled in Boot Camp. Still testing though...
Here is the specific GPU that's now installed:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187026
The dual fans make it insanely cool. It's also quiet and while perhaps a useless observation, its setup of copper heat sinks and connectors, etc., appears very practically done while also being a kind of attractive arrangement as well.
My 9800 GT is a reflashed PC board by bruinmacs:
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/bruinmacsW0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQmdoZ
As for installation to replace my also very fast 8800 GTS, I had to remove the side rail (two screws) and the daughter board (small lcd display) from the standard 9800 GT so it could fit in the lowest slot. The small lcd is not helpful for us Mac Pro owners.
I don't know for sure, but I believe this board by bruinmacs will run in any Mac Pro (it is PCIE 2).
FYI...
Cheers,
tyvol

Thanks for the reminder hatter...
I think that you are correct that the ROM's on these reflashed PC GPU's should be targeted to either the EFI32 or EFI64 Mac Pro version.
I forgot to mention that in addition to reflashing the 9800 GT with their ROM update for my EFI32 Mac Pro, bruinmacs also first increased the ROM to 128k.
Don't know for sure (bruinmacs would, though) but it seems to me that with the proper EFI32 or EFI64 ROM reflash, this 9800 GT could work in any current Mac Pro.
Cheers,
tyvol

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l_elephant wrote:
I notice that the flasher is connected to a card with ROM revision 3011, the later one.
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you say;
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slot1__x8__22" and 22"
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slot2__x8__42" and 22" flasher
slot1__x8__22" and 22"
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    [not loaded]    com.AmbrosiaSW.AudioSupport (4.1.2 - SDK 10.7) [Click for support]
    [loaded]    com.musiclab.driver.molcp3 (3.3.5) [Click for support]
    [not loaded]    com.paceap.kext.pacesupport.master (5.9.1 - SDK 10.6) [Click for support]
        /System/Library/Extensions/PACESupportFamily.kext/Contents/PlugIns
    [not loaded]    com.paceap.kext.pacesupport.leopard (5.9.1 - SDK 10.4) [Click for support]
    [not loaded]    com.paceap.kext.pacesupport.panther (5.9.1 - SDK 10.-1) [Click for support]
    [loaded]    com.paceap.kext.pacesupport.snowleopard (5.9.1 - SDK 10.6) [Click for support]
    [not loaded]    com.paceap.kext.pacesupport.tiger (5.9.1 - SDK 10.4) [Click for support]
Startup Items: ℹ️
    MolCp3Startup: Path: /System/Library/StartupItems/MolCp3Startup
    Startup items are obsolete in OS X Yosemite
Problem System Launch Daemons: ℹ️
    [failed]    com.apple.loginwindow.LFVTracer.plist [Click for details]
Launch Agents: ℹ️
    [running]    com.eastwest.server.plist [Click for support]
    [running]    de.rme-audio.hdspAgent.plist [Click for support]
Launch Daemons: ℹ️
    [loaded]    com.adobe.fpsaud.plist [Click for support]
    [loaded]    com.ambrosiasw.ambrosiaaudiosupporthelper.daemon.plist [Click for support]
    [running]    com.musiclab.molcp3d.plist [Click for support]
    [running]    com.paceap.eden.licensed.plist [Click for support]
    [loaded]    PACESupport.plist [Click for support]
User Launch Agents: ℹ️
    [loaded]    com.google.keystone.agent.plist [Click for support]
    [running]    com.spotify.webhelper.plist [Click for support]
User Login Items: ℹ️
    iTunesHelper    Application (/Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/MacOS/iTunesHelper.app)
    TrackballWorksHelper    Application Hidden (/Library/PreferencePanes/TrackballWorks.prefPane/Contents/Resources/TrackballW orksHelper.app)
    NIHardwareAgent    Application Hidden (/Library/Application Support/Native Instruments/Hardware/NIHardwareAgent.app)
Internet Plug-ins: ℹ️
    FlashPlayer-10.6: Version: 16.0.0.305 - SDK 10.6 [Click for support]
    Flash Player: Version: 16.0.0.305 - SDK 10.6 [Click for support]
    QuickTime Plugin: Version: 7.7.3
    JavaAppletPlugin: Version: 15.0.0 - SDK 10.10 Check version
    Default Browser: Version: 600 - SDK 10.10
Safari Extensions: ℹ️
    DuckDuckGo
3rd Party Preference Panes: ℹ️
    Flash Player [Click for support]
    TrackballWorks [Click for support]
    Native Instruments USB Audio [Click for support]
    Unitor 8-64 [Click for support]
Time Machine: ℹ️
    Skip System Files: NO
    Mobile backups: OFF
    Auto backup: NO - Auto backup turned off
    Volumes being backed up:
    Destinations:
        LOGIC_TIME MACH [Local]
        Total size: 698.56 GB
        Total number of backups: 40
        Oldest backup: 2014-02-05 03:09:48 +0000
        Last backup: 2015-02-19 08:16:12 +0000
        Size of backup disk: Excellent
            Backup size 698.56 GB > (Disk size 0 B X 3)
Top Processes by CPU: ℹ️
        17%    Logic Pro X
         7%    coreaudiod
         6%    WindowServer
         5%    TotalmixFX
         4%    Logic Pro
Top Processes by Memory: ℹ️
    5.65 GB    Vienna Ensemble Pro
    3.40 GB    Logic Pro X
    498 MB    Logic Pro
    429 MB    softwareupdated
    361 MB    WindowServer
Virtual Memory Information: ℹ️
    713 MB    Free RAM
    5.74 GB    Active RAM
    5.04 GB    Inactive RAM
    5.66 GB    Wired RAM
    7.77 GB    Page-ins
    139 KB    Page-outs
Diagnostics Information: ℹ️
    Feb 28, 2015, 12:15:05 AM    /Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports/LegacyFileVaultMessageTracer_2015-02-28-001505_ [redacted].crash
    Feb 27, 2015, 01:25:03 PM    Self test - passed

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