Generate instance of message interface in BPM

hello everybody,
our problem:
we need to trigger a remote backend out of an integration process. The message is always the same! So, we need no mapping and just used one send step!
But the system throws an error (send step), that there is no instance.
Is there a way to create an instance withot a mapping?
Thanks a lot.
Regards Mario

Hi,
If you are using BPM then -
An integration process is started when a message is received. So it is.
The Business Process Engine only communicates with applications that are located on back-end systems by means of messages.
For more -
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/3c/831620a4f1044dba38b370f77835cc/frameset.htm
You can do this using dummy file , picked by File Adapter,and send this message to BPm( with Receive Step only) and then send the message to your Receiver Back end. I don't think so, is there any way to trigger a BPM, without any message.
Hope this helps,
Moorthy

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