Generic questions about CMYK profiles and proofing

I just read a big book about color management and am trying to make it happen but it seems that in real life I can't get good results.
I have my scanner profiled and it produces aRGB docs.
All good and fine. The images look good on the monitor (which also is profiled.)
Now these images I place inside InDesign as aRGB.
And at some point comes the time for soft proofing.
So I start experimenting with different CMYK profiles.
First question: Should I already do a CMYK conversion for my images in Photoshop or is it ok to do it in InDesign when exporting to PDF?
Coated Fogra27/39, ISO Coated v2 and Euroscale Coated v2 seem to change the colors only slightly.
But when I turn on "Simulate Paper Color" all hell breaks loose. The paper color seems to be always a cold horrible grey and the image is darkened and dulled. It looks like in need of serious color correction.
And further how do these generic profiles know about my paper color anyway?
So maybe this feature should only be used if the profile is custom made for a specific printer and paper.
Second question: has anyone succesfully used the simulation of paper color with a custom made profile?
But it seems that custom profiles are something I can only use at home because the printing service providers seem to be quite unaware of profiling their machines for a specific paper (or profiling it at all).
They tell me to send a "pure" CMYK file without any profiles. But that is impossible because to transform an RGB in CMYK one MUST use a profile.
Third question: Which kind of profile should I use when I am instructed to provide a profile-less CMYK document?
And finally what is the purpose of proofing in the first place if I don't know exactly the profile created for the combination of the output machine and output paper? This issue becomes clearer when using (slightly) colored paper.
- Rami Ojares

>First question: Should I already do a CMYK conversion for my images in Photoshop or is it ok to do it in InDesign when exporting to PDF?
You can save the conversion until you make the PDF if you like, especially if you don't know the correct profile in advance, but you lose the ability to fine-tune and individual image.
>But when I turn on "Simulate Paper Color" all hell breaks loose. The paper color seems to be always a cold horrible grey and the image is darkened and dulled. It looks like in need of serious color correction.
I think this is mostly a case of your eye accommodating to the brightness of the screen. I'm not sure how to avoid this, and I generally don't use the simulate paper color. Comparing my screen to the real printed output without the simulation seems pretty close. Even a generic profile makes an assumption about the color of the paper stock, but a custom profile would be more accurate.
>Third question: Which kind of profile should I use when I am instructed to provide a profile-less CMYK document?
As you already said, you can't do the conversion without knowing the profile. What they are asking is that you don't embed that profile when you do the conversion to PDF. This means they can use a file prepared for the wrong profile and not risk further conversion at the RIP which would create rich blacks from you 100% K elements (type), but the colors wouldn't be 100% correct unless the profile you chose for conversion originally matched the press.
Generic profiles are a quasi-standard that most presses can match, but may not be able to produce quite as wide a color gamut as a custom profile, but many presses don't have a custom profile available. You should ask for a "contract proof" to check the color before the press runs, and if possible go to the printer for the make-ready and check the color on the press before the whole run is printed. There is a LOT of color control available to a skilled press operator, and expect some variation through the run.
Peter

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I have already installed and configured apex 3.2 on oracle 10g (on my localhost - computer name 'chen_rong', ip address -192.168.88.175 ), and enable anonymous access xdb http server.
now,
1. I can access 'http://chen_rong' , 'http://localhost' , 'http://192.168.88.175' without input username / password for realm 'XDB' in IE6;
2. I can access 'http://localhost/apex/apex_admin' , 'http://192.168.88.175/apex/apex_admin' , and I can be redirected into apex administation page after input admin/<my apex admin password> for realm 'APEX' in IE6;
3. I can access 'http://chen_rong/apex/apex_admin' in IE6, but after input admin/password , I can not be redirected into administation page, because the cookie was blocked by IE6.
then, the first question is :
Q1: What is the difference among 'http://chen_rong' , 'http://localhost' , 'http://192.168.88.175' ? I have already include site 'chen_rong' into my trusted stes! why the cookie was blocked by IE6. I have already tried firefox and google browser, both of them were ok for 'chen_rong', no cookie blocked from site 'chen_rong'!
and,
1. I have tried to use the script in attachment to test http authentication and also want to catch the cookie by utl_http .
2. please review the script for me.
3. I did:
SQL> exec show_url('http://localhost/apex/apex_admin/','ADMIN','Passw0rd');
HTTP response status code: 401
HTTP response reason phrase: Unauthorized
Please supplied the required Basic authentication username/password for realm XDB for the Web page.
Web page http://localhost/apex/apex_admin/ is protected.
MS-Author-Via: DAV
DAV: 1,2,<http://www.oracle.com/xdb/webdav/props>
Server: Oracle XML DB/Oracle Database
WWW-Authenticate: Basic realm="XDB"
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:25:15 GMT
Content-Type: text/html; charset=GBK
Content-Length: 147
======================================
PL/SQL procedure successfully completed
4. I also did :
SQL> exec show_url('http://localhost/apex/apex_admin/','ANONYMOUS','ANONYMOUS');
HTTP response status code: 500
HTTP response reason phrase: Internal Server Error
Check if the Web site is up.
PL/SQL procedure successfully completed
SQL> exec show_url('http://localhost/apex/apex_admin/','SYSTEM','apexsite');
HTTP response status code: 401
HTTP response reason phrase: Unauthorized
Please supplied the required Basic authentication username/password for realm APEX for the Web page.
Web page http://localhost/apex/apex_admin/ is protected.
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Length: 147
WWW-Authenticate: Basic realm="APEX"
======================================
PL/SQL procedure successfully completed
my second questions is :
Q2: After I entered into realm 'XDB', I still need went into realm'APEX'. how could I change the script show_url to accomplish these two tasks and successfully get the cookie from site.
the show_url script is as following:
CREATE OR REPLACE PROCEDURE show_url
(url IN VARCHAR2,
username IN VARCHAR2 DEFAULT NULL,
password IN VARCHAR2 DEFAULT NULL)
AS
req UTL_HTTP.REQ;
resp UTL_HTTP.RESP;
name VARCHAR2(256);
value VARCHAR2(1024);
data VARCHAR2(255);
my_scheme VARCHAR2(256);
my_realm VARCHAR2(256);
my_proxy BOOLEAN;
cookies UTL_HTTP.COOKIE_TABLE;
secure VARCHAR2(1);
BEGIN
-- When going through a firewall, pass requests through this host.
-- Specify sites inside the firewall that don't need the proxy host.
-- UTL_HTTP.SET_PROXY('proxy.example.com', 'corp.example.com');
-- Ask UTL_HTTP not to raise an exception for 4xx and 5xx status codes,
-- rather than just returning the text of the error page.
UTL_HTTP.SET_RESPONSE_ERROR_CHECK(FALSE);
-- Begin retrieving this Web page.
req := UTL_HTTP.BEGIN_REQUEST(url);
-- Identify yourself.
-- Some sites serve special pages for particular browsers.
UTL_HTTP.SET_HEADER(req, 'User-Agent', 'Mozilla/4.0');
-- Specify user ID and password for pages that require them.
IF (username IS NOT NULL) THEN
UTL_HTTP.SET_AUTHENTICATION(req, username, password, 'Basic', false);
END IF;
-- Start receiving the HTML text.
resp := UTL_HTTP.GET_RESPONSE(req);
-- Show status codes and reason phrase of response.
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('HTTP response status code: ' || resp.status_code);
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE
('HTTP response reason phrase: ' || resp.reason_phrase);
-- Look for client-side error and report it.
IF (resp.status_code >= 400) AND (resp.status_code <= 499) THEN
-- Detect whether page is password protected
-- and you didn't supply the right authorization.
IF (resp.status_code = UTL_HTTP.HTTP_UNAUTHORIZED) THEN
UTL_HTTP.GET_AUTHENTICATION(resp, my_scheme, my_realm, my_proxy);
IF (my_proxy) THEN
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Web proxy server is protected.');
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT('Please supply the required ' || my_scheme ||
' authentication username/password for realm ' || my_realm ||
' for the proxy server.');
ELSE
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Please supplied the required ' || my_scheme ||
' authentication username/password for realm ' || my_realm ||
' for the Web page.');
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Web page ' || url || ' is protected.');
END IF;
ELSE
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Check the URL.');
END IF;
-- UTL_HTTP.END_RESPONSE(resp);
-- RETURN;
-- Look for server-side error and report it.
ELSIF (resp.status_code >= 500) AND (resp.status_code <= 599) THEN
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Check if the Web site is up.');
UTL_HTTP.END_RESPONSE(resp);
RETURN;
END IF;
-- HTTP header lines contain information about cookies, character sets,
-- and other data that client and server can use to customize each
-- session.
FOR i IN 1..UTL_HTTP.GET_HEADER_COUNT(resp) LOOP
UTL_HTTP.GET_HEADER(resp, i, name, value);
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE(name || ': ' || value);
END LOOP;
-- Read lines until none are left and an exception is raised.
--LOOP
-- UTL_HTTP.READ_LINE(resp, value);
-- DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE(value);
--END LOOP;
UTL_HTTP.GET_COOKIES(cookies);
dbms_output.put_line('======================================');
FOR i in 1..cookies.count LOOP
IF (cookies(i).secure) THEN
secure := 'Y';
ELSE
secure := 'N';
END IF;
-- INSERT INTO my_cookies
-- VALUES (my_session_id, cookies(i).name, cookies(i).value,
-- cookies(i).domain,
-- cookies(i).expire, cookies(i).path, secure, cookies(i).version);
dbms_output.put_line('site:'||url);
dbms_output.put_line('cookies:');
dbms_output.put_line('name:'||cookies(i).name);
dbms_output.put_line('value:'||cookies(i).value);
dbms_output.put_line('domain:'||cookies(i).domain);
dbms_output.put_line('expire:'||cookies(i).expire);
dbms_output.put_line('path:'||cookies(i).path);
dbms_output.put_line('secure:'||secure);
dbms_output.put_line('version:'||cookies(i).version);
END LOOP;
UTL_HTTP.END_RESPONSE(resp);
EXCEPTION
WHEN UTL_HTTP.END_OF_BODY THEN
UTL_HTTP.END_RESPONSE(resp);
END;
/

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