Get raw original out of my smart object?

How do you separate a smart object from the camera raw parent? I dont really need all those megabytes for this file.
I dont want to rasterize tho cuz I want my mask and re-edits available.
I can do a circuitous thing of copy the layer, rasterize, make new smart object, copy mask over, and delete primary layer with raw image,
but isn't there a one-clik fix?

The raw file is embedded inside of the Photoshop file containing the Smart Object. It is not referenced on the outside (you REALLY don't want that considering how difficult the management of external links would be).
Look, the whole purpose of an embedded Smart Object raw file is to maintain the most flexible processing and image control right up to the point you want to flatten the file for use. If you don't want to flatten and thus render the Smart Object, I suspect you really don't want to be using Smart Objects in the first place.
Yes, embedding the raw file makes the resulting file bigger (too big in my opinion) but that's the price you pay for the flexibility down the road.
You may actually be better off learning how to use the Snapshot function inside of Camera Raw 5.2 and above if you want the ability to play with different raw settings and store them in the raw file's settings. You can render a couple of different snapshots into a regular layered file in Photoshop and blend them there. No, not the same flexibility as a SO but a lot smaller files if that matters so much to you.

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Save new camera raw defaults for already opened smart objects.

I've a question about Photoshop and Smart Objects, as I like to use Smart Filters. I open my raw photos in Camera Raw, I adjust them and then continue editing in Photoshop as smart objects.
My problem is that if during editing in Photoshop I adjust again some parameters reopening the photo in Camera Raw, there's no way I can save the new adjustments for the next time I want to open the raw again.
I happened to me I changed a lot of parameters and I wanted to have them as defaults for that photo.
Quite simply: if I I want to save new Camera Raw edits as defaults for that photo, how can I do?
P.S. I tried saving a new snapshot, but they disappear if I open the raw again.

Thanks for your answer. Actually inserting the photo as a linked object does what I want, but it's awkward, slow and not so immediate. Also I have to open the photo from the beginning like that, as a new layer.
There should be an option inside camera raw like "update original with new settings".

Raw file settings missing from smart objects in tiff files after upgrade to CS6

Yesterday I was using Photoshop CS5 and RAW 6.4 (?) in a Windows environment.
When editing photographs, I generally open the photo in Camera Raw, make development changes (ie exposure, contrast, etc) and then open the developed image as Smart Object in Photoshop. I then clone, add layers, masks, etc. and then save the final image as a tiff.
Yesterday, I upgraded to Photoshop CS6 and RAW 7.0. Now, when I open my tiff files and Smart Objects in the RAW editor, my exposure, contrast, and black settings are missing (reset to zero). My graduated filter settings are also missing.
It seems to me that the embedded sidecar data in the tiff / Smart Object is not being read correctly.
How can I update my old tiff / Smart Objects? Re-developing thousands of photos is impractical.
NOTE: As a side note, I opened a RAW file with xmp data (not stored as a tiff/Smart Object) and had no problems.
Many thanks.

You need to set the ACR engine to the 2010 version in the prefs.
Mylenium

Bug or feature: opacity and blend-if values wiped out when convert layer to smart object

I had some unexpected results in an action I put together. As I was stepping through it, I found that conversion of a layer to a smart object reset the opacity to 100% and removed any blend-if adjustments, though the blending mode was retained. This is certainly an unexpected effect--is it a bug?

Smart objects are always created at 100% and will wipe any other blending, the blending still exists WITHIN the Object, itself. This is the most logical and sensible way for it to work - you will realise this if you think it through. Blend modes on the other hand are sometimes copied from the source layer or Group, this is possible and its a kind of shortcut.
To get the original blending into the Smart Object layer - Open the Smart Object, right click on the layer with the correct bending Choose "copy layer style". Now Back in your master document you can "paste layer style" into the Smart Object layer.

Extracting an .xmp sidecar from an ACR-edited RAW smart object layer...

Hello all. Given the following situation:
Several thousand TIFF files, each containing two RAW files embedded into separate Smart Object layers. The RAW files were named with sequential numbers prior to being composited into the TIFF files via a script, and the TIFF filenames correspond to those of the embedded RAW files. The RAWs have subsequently been edited in ACR from within the TIFF files.
I've done a little digging, but I can't seem to turn up answers to several related questions:
A) Should I wish to re-extract the RAW files from the smart object layers with the edits that have been applied, is there a method of PerLayerMetdata that can be used to extract a complete .xmp sidecar that will be recognized by ACR and associated with the exported RAW?
B) Should I wish to change the sequential-naming of the parent TIFF files, is there any method to correspondingly change the filenames of the embedded RAWs directly within the smart object layer? In other words, using PerLayerMetdata, can the filenames of the RAWs be changed without exporting the RAWs using a different filename and then replacing the contents of the smart object layer?
C) I would ultimately like to be able to save the embedded RAWs as DNGs with their ACR edits applied, if necessaray. Given a way to accomplish A), above, it would be a fairly simple to export the RAWs and associated .xmp files and then run the DNG converter on the lot. However, does anyone know of a way to save a DNG directly from the smart object layer?
Any ideas or pointers to existing documentation are much appreciated.

Thank you kindly, Michael. I see now that the example I was viewing had done exactly what you describe, writing ACR settings into the SO layer's metadata at the time of embedding. I was only looking at the portion which later accessed those settings using PerLayerMetadata, and I had mistakenly assumed that CS5 was automatically embedding xmp data in this manner, now, when opening or placing a RAW file as a SO.
I don't see a direct way to get at the ACR settings of a camera raw file embedded in a smart object.
This is sort of what I was afraid of. They're in there, somewhere, but I'm having no luck figuring out how to access them.
If the ACR settings for a RAW smart object are, indeed, not exposed to automation in some manner, I think I must change my workflow such that either: A) No edits are performed in ACR after object embedding; or B) the RAWs are converted to DNGs prior to smart-object embedding so that the ACR settings can be exposed in the exported file.

Bug? Camera Raw Smart Object Can't Be Edited

I have a problem where a raw file placed as a smart object can't be re-edited in CS3. Here's how to replicate the problem:
1. Open a JPEG or TIFF as a Smart Object (may happen with other file types).
2. Go to Layer > Smart Objects > New Smart Object via Copy.
3. Double-click the top smart object and make changes in Adobe Camera Raw.
You should now be able to hide/show the top layer (the final)
to see the bottom layer (the original.)
4. Double-click the top smart object layer to see that it properly opens Camera Raw allowing you to make edits (this works for now but will stop working when we encounter the bug in a moment).
5. Save the file and close it.
6. Re-open the file and double-click either of the smart object layers to edit them. Instead of Camera Raw dialog opening, the image in the window changes to the original unedited version. This is a bug and doesn't happen on every image, but it always happens on at least some of my images.
There have been times when it works, but the next time I open the file it stops working. Some of my files allow editing later without problems. Truly weird. Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a workaround?
I have applied all updaters, so that means I am using Photoshop CS3 10.0.1 with Camera 4.4.1 on Mac OS 10.5.2. I have also trashed preferences for Photoshop and Adobe Bridge. I've also Purged the Adobe Camera Raw Cache in the Bridge. This happens on both my Mac Pro (3GB RAM) and MacBook Pro (4GB RAM) so it's not just one machine.
Thanks in advance,
Dan

Hi Daniel,
Stumbled on your post while searching on a similar issue. I'm not sure if I precisely understand yuour problem, but here's my experience when dealing with TIFFs and JPEGs embedded as Smart Objects in CS3...
If the Smart Object layer contains a TIFF or JPEG that has already been edited and saved in Camera Raw (i.e., the embedded file has Camera Raw XMP metadata in its header), then Photoshop will open the Smart Object's contents in Camera Raw... with one provision. You have to make sure that in your Camera Raw preferences, under "JPEG and TIFF Handling", that both boxes are checked for "Always open JPEG/TIFF files with settings using Camera Raw".
If those boxes aren't checked, when you try to edit the contents of a Smart Object layer containing a TIFF or JPEG with Camera Raw settings in its header, instead of opening the embedded file for editing, Photoshop seems to simply revert to displaying the layer without the settings applied. I'm unsure whether this is a bug or intended behavior, but it seems to be one of the symptoms you describe.
On the other hand, if you make a Smart Object layer from a JPEG or TIFF that does not already have Camera Raw settings in its header, Photoshop CS3 will never open that layer's contents in Camera Raw, regardless of what preferences you have checked. Instead, the contents are opened in a separate window as a temporary .psb file. The only way I've found to do Camera Raw editing in these cases is to export the layer, edit the exported file in Raw, and then re-import it via Replace Contents.

"Anti-alias" greyed out when free-transforming smart objects.

While resizing smart objects, I noticed that the anti-aliasing was very contrasting and not smooth enough for my purposes. I realized that if I rasterized the smart object before resizing, the anti-aliasing was better. I then noticed that there was a setting when free-transforming smart objects called "anti-alias." However, I am unable to activate it as it is greyed out. So, here's two questions:
1) Is there a way to make the anti-aliasing for smart objects the same as that of rasterized objects?
2) Is there a way to activate that "anti-alias" setting when free-transforming smart objects?
Thanks in advance for any help you can provide

On top of what Zeno Bokor wrote that while your doing the transform your viewing a quick scaled preview not the actual transformation you wrote
The SOs I'm talking about are bitmap images I made into SOs to be able to resize and edit without destructive changes, not imported vector graphics from AI.
You did not state how you made the bitmap images into smart object. If you just converted a layer you had been working on into a smart object some damage may have already been done to the bitmap image. You might get better results if you started out with a smart object layer to begin with by using ACR open as smart object option or by placing your camera jpeg images into your document as starting points.

Why does the Amount slider of Camera's RAW Detail Panel revert to 0 when opening a Smart Object in Photoshop?

I use CS6 on a Mac running 10.6.8. I edit images in RAW, then covert to a Smart Object for final editing in Photoshop. I've noticed the image in Photoshop is not sharp, and when I check by returning to RAW, I can see that just the Amount slider (Detail Panel) has reverted to 0, but the other sliders are as I have set them.
Does anyone know what may cause this problem and how to solve it?

This behavior happens only on Mac desktop computer, not on my Mac laptop running the same CS6.
After I've edited an ACR file (including sharpening in the Detail panel), I change the file into a PSD Smart Object to complete my edit by clicking on "Open Object". I immediately notice this PSD file is not sharp. If I click on the bottom right of the image icon to return to the RAW file, I find the Amount slider in the Detail Panel has changed from the sharpening amount I gave it, to 0.
If I do the exact same thing on my laptop (running a duplicate of the same Photoshop CS6), this behaviour does not happen. The image remains sharp as a PSD file, and if I check by returning to ACR, the Amount slider has maintained its setting.
Anything more you need?

Lightroom develop, Photoshop Raw and Smart objects

I understand that Lightroom's Develop function and Photoshop Raw adjustments are the same. So I adjust in either or. I can then open the photo as a smart object in photoshop. I can then make further adjustments as an adjustment layer. Which I think is the same as both Lightroom's Develop function and Photoshop Raw adjustments? I understand smart objects allows non destructive editing and smart filters.
SO my questions are: When would you not open the photo as a smart object? Surely I should always open the photo as a smart object? If I want to do any editing not allowed to smart objects such as clone stamp I can then create a layer and then apply the clone stamp to the layer, can't I?
Secondly, should I also convert all layers to smart layers or leave them as a normal layer.
Or thirdly, am I way off track?

If I want to do any editing not allowed to smart objects such as clone stamp I can then create a layer and then apply the clone stamp to the layer, can't I?
And that is where the underlying Smart Object starts losing (some of) its usefulness.
Because all those edits will be unaffected if you should choose to change the development settings of the embedded RAW.
Secondly, should I also convert all layers to smart layers or leave them as a normal layer.
What for?
Unless you want to non-destructively apply transformations or Filters or need several instances of something in one file it would mainly cause a drag on performance. (Edit: or bloat the files’s size)
But in those cases Smart Objects offer significant advantages.

Smart Objects mis-behaving in Photoshop 5.1?

Hi there
I'm using Pshop 5.1 on Win 7 64bit
Cince Adobe introduced Smart Objects in CS2 (I think it was CS2 - I jumped from 7) they've becom I standard part of my workflow that I use all the time
However, having upgraded from CS4 to the latest, smart objects don't seem to be working correctly - the problem is when saving them in order to return to my original image (with the smart objects contenst updated) I am asked to 'save as' - and the Temp folder is displayed - in other words, Photoshop is forcing me to save my smart object as a separate file which I'd then have to re-import into my original image, which would completely defeat the poin of using them in the first place
It doesn't always do this..
But I don't think it ever did it in CS4...
Is there a Photoshop expert out there who can tell me why this is hapenning?
Is it a bug?
A functionality change?
Can it be fixed? It is a royal pain. For example in my current image, I drag and drop an image in from a WIndows Explorer window, and Photoshop makes it a smart object - I click OK. I then open the smart object, use the Quick Selection tool to remove white edges that I don't want, double clcik the layer to turn it from 'Background' to 'Layer 0', and apply a layer mask to remove the white background I've selected. I then save, and instead I'ma sked to Save As, as I've described
I'd appreciate your comment
Thanks
jON

Is the original a jpeg? In that case transparency or layers are not supported, which is why you get Save As.
If you flatten it, it should behave normally. Or better, save the original to a different format first.

Layering with smart objects for architectural interior photos in PS

Help…
I was wondering if anyone has had experience of working on professional architectural photographs in PS?
I am interested in using and learning how to use the layering technique many architectural photographers use to produce different exposures of an interior in one image.
Many pros prefer this method I’m told, as it offers more control and flexibility than using HDR.
One photographer I spoke to said:
“I also bracket different exposures and use under and/or over exposures for extreme areas that need adjustment. Smart objects simplify things by using just one RAW file whenever in range”.
I don’t fully understand this; anyone got any links to websites etc I can learn more about this method?
Thanks..

Thanks Donald and Silkrooster,
Yes I am using multi exposures (RAW) with a tripod around 6-8 of them (stop apart, from highlights to shadows), as I was just going to use a HDR processor like Photomatrix or PS, however I using PS CS5 the other day the images look too fake, even when I bring the values down.
I need high reality & definition.
What I'm looking for is a great exposure range in my images, which I know cannot be achieved using just one RAW file.
The photographer I quoted at the start is a successful architectural photographer who uses multi RAW images in layers as smart objects (I guess so he can make adjustments back & forth without damaging the image quality?) and that he too found HDR too fake for his high end customers. He said it takes him a long time, I suppose he is creating layer masks it high detail of the section he wants the exposure to be different. This was all I could get out of him on his blog!
I’m familiar with this old method of laying as I used to do this many years ago using scanned slide film of different exposures in PS2, however it took a really long time (due to big files and slow computers) and I used to literately erase the layer above in parts I wanted the other exposure to come through. These offend used to go wrong and also crash the computer.
However now I understand people are using layer masks and RAW images (different exposures) as layers to have more control over the different exposures than if the different PSD files were imported.
I don’t know how you would use a RAW layer to adjust and process, colour balance etc?
My workflow at the moment is to produce the best image I can from a RAW image using Lightroom or Aperture 3, and import the different images as different PSD layers.
I cannot believe no one has come out with layering software or a plug-in to help this process with masks, exposure, aligning images etc?
Or have they but I don’t know about it yet??

Add multiple smart object images to PS CC? (Win7)

I'd like to be able to load quickly several layers of the same image (all as smart objects) to blend exposures. A recent J. Kost blog entry demonstrates opening such layers directly from Lightroom but she discovers from reader feedback that Adobe never programmed a Windows version of this process that would allow me to open seeveral images in one Photoshop CC document as separate smart object layers.
I have tried to figure out the exact steps to make this happen with Bridge, too. It worked once, but there seemed to be delay in display of the smart object corner icon in the layer thumbnail. That's weird. "Place Image" -- from Photoshop -- seems to work the best.
This is so common to my needs that I am looking for a fast and simple way to build the layers. Has anyone found a work around to do this -- on Windows -- in LR5.3 DIRECTLY to Photoshop CC (updated to 14.2)? I'd do it from Bridge if necessary but spemd all my time in Lightroom for asset management as well as usual post processing.
When I search for this action/technique all I get are demos of opening *linked* smart object layers.
Thanks, in advance,
jonathan7007
Win7 64bit
Ivy Bridge i7, 32Gig RAM
LR 5.3
Photoshop CC

To my knowledge Illustrator does not support smart objects. However it does support image linking. Which means if you update a image in photoshop, Illustrator will know the file has changed.
When placing the file, you will see a checkbox at the bottom of the open dialog box for link, make sure it is checked. When you update the file when Illustrator is running with that file opened, you will get a promt telling you the file has changed and asked you if you want to update the image.
If you choose not to update the image at that time, you can click on the linked file text in the top tool bar and update the image from there.
If the file is not open or Illustrator is not running then the file will update the next time you open the file.
Also you will find a edit original button in the top tool bar to take you back to what ever image editor is assigned to that file format.
To assign a file format to photoshop:
For this example we will use jpeg extention
1) Open windows explorer
2) Menu options tools>folder options>File types tab>scroll to jpeg and click on it
3) Click the advanced tab
4) see what actions are listed odds are only open and printo are listed
5) If Edit is not listed, click on the new button
6) For the action type EDIT
7) For the application used to perform action click the browse button
8) Browse for photoshop.exe
9) The following should now be in the application used to perform action box:
"C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CS3\Photoshop.exe" %1
The above file location is assuming you have CS3 and you used the default installation edit original button in Illustrator and the right mouse button menu in windows explorer will take you to photoshop to edit the file.
10) After you click OK you will see the new EDIT action in the list
11) Click OK and then click close to get out of all the dialog boxes
The action can be removed at any time or edited to use another application.

Transforming a Smart Object Layer

Plain ordinary photograph..... Start with a background layer. Add a layer for doing non-destructive cloning. Add a couple layers for adjusting curves and hue/saturation.
Then do a merge visible to create a new layer from all the underlying layers and still keep all the underlying layers.
Convert this layer to a smart object and apply Smart Sharpening.
All the above works fine.........................
Now I want to do a transform - free, scaling, whatever..... I can select the marged layer but all the transforms are grayed out.
How do I do a transform on a smart object layer?

Hi Noel. Your questions are valid... This isn't my normal post-processing.
NORMALLY, I have a couple layers for dodging and burning, probably something for other fiddling, my normal adjustment layers for curves and hue/saturation, then a "stamp visible". Depending on whether or not I wind up converting to b&w I may have a couple other layers for that.... Then I save the psd, and afterward crop and sharpen as needed. Generally,
my sharpening is to use the Smart Sharpen on my merged layer, OR to duplicate thelayer and do a high-pass sharpening.
Recently, I've seen two presentations by well-regarded Photoshop experts extolling the virtues of doing as much as possible in non-destructive ways. For sharpening, as I understand it, this means either opening the original image as a smart object, or converting to a smart object prior to sharpening. SO, I've been trying this on some images, just to see if there are some real advantages, or if it's just a big pain-in-the-neck way to do something that's pretty standard.... Frankly, I"m still not sure.
In THIS particular case, I had an image that had been edited, and the sharpening applied through the smart filter PRIOR to cropping. My wife requested a non-standard resizing, not a crop, that meant using a transform to change the aspect ratio of the image. That's when I found that the transforms wouldn't work on my smart object..
Unfortunately, as it turns out, I was right - it was an error on my part. I SELECTED part of the image on the layer with the marque tool... Had i NOT done the selection, the transform would have worked fine.....
So, the bottom line is yes, I agree that it's easy to get caught up in trying to make everything non-destructive and flexible, but sometimes it's more trouble than it's worth.

Smart object & timeline

In PS6
I'm having trouble synchonising an animated drummer [as a smart object] with the audio track from the original clip I've drawn inlayers - because, when I go to the smart object edit file, the audio isn't there.
I tried to copy the track and paste it = no success [it wouldn't allow me to copy it].
And I tried to drag/drop it from the original timeline to the smart object edit timeline = no.
I don't even think I can save the audio from the original segment, and open and paste it to the smart edit window.
So now I come here to ask, cap in hand, if any of you PS experienced people out there on Earth know how to do this!
Thanks
John, Manchester, UK

Sorry, but you're using a hedge trimmer to cut your wife's/ girlfriend's hair in a manner of speaking.... Use a proper animation/ video tool like After Effects for this kind of work.
Mylenium

Liquify as a smart object filter CS6

I understand that I should be able to use Liquify as a smart object filter in CS6 however when I get a layer rendered as a smart object and attempt to use the smart filter Liquify is greyed out.
my only opiton thus far has been to stamp it down and work on the stamped down layer. Am I missing something . I'm using Adobe Photoshop Version: 13.0.6 (13.0.6 20131025.r.54 2013/10/25:21:00:00) x64

I think that is in the photoshop cs6 creative cloud verion 13.1 that the Smart object liquify was added.
(not in the perpetual license versions of photoshop cs6)
Also, it's in photoshop cc (photoshop version 14) as well

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