Gf4-4200 Ms8870 Bios

Just got went to do the Live VGA Bios update on my MS8870 GF4 4200 and ahh...
well, it update to Version 4.25.00.29.00 (latest version).
Upon reboot, everything is garbled.... "4's" everywhere!
Card now reads as a GF4 4600 upon boot prior to POST????
Anyone know where I can get an older version of the BIOS to flash it back to a prior version? Any FTP access??? Live VGA BIOS will not go back...
Please let me know.
Thanks much!

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Originally posted by GlennVidia
Try the link now...what did you flash the BIOS with without this file? Did you hunt it down by searching the forum?
If you properly flashed the card and still have this problem, then it's RMA time.
GlennVidia....thanks for all the help! We did find the link and got the file.
Flashed the BIOS with the right file and it is reading correctly.
Still having the problem though. Interestingly enough....the reason is is reading as a TI 4600 card prior to POST is because of the "4's" that UPTOWN is referring to above. After looking at this and beating ourselves up all morning with the BIOS (thinking the flash didn't work and verifying what was flashed, comparing data, etc.), we started looking at the "colums" that the "4's" are going down. (Bear with me cuz I know this is odd)....
It should show as such when first booting and the card pops up:
Geforce 4 TI 4200
128MB
etc.
But what is doing is this...
Geforce 4 TI 4600 44 44 44 44
128MB 44 44 44 44 44
etc. 44 44 44 44 44
44 44 44 44 44
44 44 44 44 44
44 44 44 44 44
44 44 44 .....etc. etc...
(Columns are not going to show up correctly in this post, but you get the jist..)
As you can see from above, the column where it should be reading as a "4200" is reading as a "4600"...but the "2" is being changed to a "6" because of the issues with the "4's". The reason we know this... is when the system posts or we load up using an EBD.....it changed all the characters in those specific colums to completely different characters when booting (another example: R's show up as T's....I hope this all makes sense since I am typing it out vs. being able to see what I am talking about)
The problem was never with the Video BIOS...although it happened right around the time the Live VGA BIOS update was ran on this card from what I was told. Memory problem on a brand new board. Believe that??
*sigh*
RMA time! I can't do a thing else with it.
Thanks for all of your help again bud. We really, really appreciate it.

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Originally posted by Deathstalker
carcasswth,
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