Give me my scroll arrows back!

OK, so 1st impressions of Lion are pretty positive, except for 1 thing... I want my scroll bars back how they used to be!
Yes, I've found the Pref to make sure they show all the time, but where are the arrows?
Does anyone know of a way of getting them back? Apple often has loads of hidden prefs that you can change using the Terminal. Anyone?

Can you adjust/reset what the keypress is that the foot-mouse sends? If so, these may work for you -
Downarrow (that's the downward arrow in the four-arrow array on the keyboard) - moves focus down a line or two on the page.
Option-downarrow - moves focus down the page a larger amount. The exact amount depends on the program: in a browser, it usually is a jump of one screenful; in a wordprocessor, it usually is one paragraph.
Command-downarrow - moves focus to the end of the document/page.

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Please bring back an option to Add Scroll Arrows!?

Mac OS X v10.7 Lion - has removed scrollbars and changed the direction of scrolling to better align with iphones, ipads, etc. Thankfully, there are options to go back to behavior similar to classic scrolling behavior, with one important exception. Unfortunately, scroll arrows are now completely gone. OUCH !
Through preferences one can make scrollbars be presented. Behavior can be based on the type of device being used, or scrollbars can be displayed all the time. I choose to display scrollbars all the time.
Through preferences one can make the scrolling direction go back to what one expects if one used Mac OS X versions prior to 10.7 Lion. When I'm scrolling content on my MacBook Pro, I'm either using devices that are not "embedded" in the display (the trackpad or the mouse). When others do scrolling say on an iPad, where the scrolling is directly on the screen, I get it that the direction is different. But don't change up and down so it will match a phone or tablet when I'm on a device where I'm doing indirect manipulation of window content.
To the core complaint... Scroll Arrows are Gone: I cannot get scroll arrows any more. Take a look at Mail or Safari. This is especially needed in Mail. I get lots of mail. I want to be able to scroll up and down by pages (yes there is another preference for this) using the scroll region. I can do that. But I also want to be able to scroll the window (say preview window, or mail message content window) by one line at a time. However, there is no option that I can find. Maybe I want to see the whole paragraph at the same time. Maybe I want to see a code fragment of 5-10 lines all at one time.
Some might say we should just use the up and down keys on the keyboard. I would like to do that. However, with Mail, Apple still has not provided the ability to move from message to message in the preview pane without MARKING THE MESSAGE AS READ ! Most email messages (like this one :-) are too long at least for quick browsing. When I use the up/down arrow to go from message 42 to message 49, then 42 thru 49 are marked as read, even though I can do this in a second or so with seven down-arrow presses. Certainly I can't read 7 real-life emails in a second. See below for a post two years ago requesting this feature which many Mail programs have, but which has never been added to Mac's Mail app:
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1988930?start=15&tstart=0
    Marking "Read" When Viewing in Preview Pane
    ...Similar discussions occurred on 10.4, 10.5, and 10.6. Here we are on 10.7, but this request has been ignored...
Please bring back some method for turning on scroll arrows again! And yes, give the option for controlling whether they're stacked at bottom of scroll region, or for using the more common model of up arrow at top of region and down arrow at bottom.
Sadly, this is also a core behavior of Mac OS X 10.7. I have Chrome installed. It does not allow scroll arrows either.
So, Apple... Accept that you went too far. Bring back options to turn on scroll arrows.
...and go back and review that mail preview behavior too, while you're at it.
Thanks,
Alan Carwile

Alan,
while the two finger scrolling is a sometime substitute for scroll arrows it is completely inadequate as a full time solution. It is useless in programs like excel that can have multiple split screens and only scrolls in one at at time and there is no reliable way that doesn't affect other operations to tell the program what screen you want to scroll in. With scroll arrows I got arrows for each window when I split the screen. It is typical of apple's (and steve jobs) hubris that they would eliminate these. It's fine if you think it is more sleek efficient use of the screen not to have scroll bars, but why recognize the need for scroll bars and allow us to turn them on and not scroll arrows?.
Forgetting the split screen problem, on the large databases I have with 10s of thousands of records anything other than scroll arrows is unpredictable because the scrolling speed is dictated by the size of the database and the sideways scrolling with the track pad is clumsy.
The lack of compatability in Lion whether with programs or user interface speaks poorly of Apple and it is the first time in a long time I've thought I might be headed back to the dark side.
And I think they do this on purpose, to make people bend to their paradigm -- see Job's refusal for the longest time to let keyboards connect to the iphone.
And, I know I'm not speaking to apple here, I'm speaking to Apple users. Apple doesn't seem to care or think it can do any wrong and has had that attitude for a long time.
brian

How Do I Get back scroll bar arrows Back

Is there a way to get back scroll bar arrows back in OS 10.8.4 ? Thats all.

Newer systems might also provide different functionality instead of just more.
There are many cases where Apple has changed things (taken away here, given something different there) and with good results.
However I agree with you bernuli: (Mountain) Lion has been a disaster in many ways. At least to me. I produce information and want to be productive with precision and speed. I know how to spell and I know what I am looking at. So I want all animations OFF, all spelling checking OFF, all horrible yellow "tooltips" OFF and so on.
Just today I have finally switched, after more than two years ago buying a machine specially for Lion and figuring out how to live with it. I can still feel my blood pressure rise, despite a lot of tweaking in those two years. I want those little arrows back (using TinkerTool I had both of them at the top and both at the bottom!) The keyboard arrows are NOT a replacement.
You will be assimilated into the touch-interface world, resistance is futile.

Why won't time machine open up to the page where it gives me the option to back up my mac onto my external passport? It just brings me to this page where it gives me the option to scroll through my tabs.

My time machine application was working fine earlier, but when I clicked it again it just led me to this. How do I open up the page where it gives me the option to back up my mac? and how do I choose certain files to back up? Because I don't want to back up my whole mac, just certain files.

You are clicking on the wrong TM icon. Or not clicking it correctly.
Use the TM icon in the top menu area. You can always open TM preferences from System Preferences.
You can also right click OR Control Click on the TM icon in the dock.. and go to the same place.
Ie open TM preferences.
But it is not so easy as you seem to think to setup TM to backup this and not back up that.
See pondini for info on how to use TM.
http://pondini.org/TM/FAQ.html
See Q10 for excluding items.
And info on how to do backups manually.. just turn off auto backups.. you can start them manually when you like.

OS X 10.8 scrolling arrows missing

I'm a graphic designer and I've GOT to have the scrolling arrows for precision. I looked under preferences but can't figure out how to get my arrows back.

HunterFitch77 wrote:
I'm a graphic designer and I've GOT to have the scrolling arrows for precision. I looked under preferences but can't figure out how to get my arrows back.
One or all of these threads may be of interest to you.
https://discussions.apple.com/community/mac_os/search.jspa?peopleEnabled=true&us erID=&containerType=&container=&spotlight=false&q=scroll%20arrows
Cheers
Pete

PLEASE APPLE, GIVE US SYNCING VIA ITUNES BACK!!!!!! Why take away one of the most valuable features of iTunes???? Why take away our choice of syncing via the Cloud or locally with iTunes????

DO NOT UPGRADE TO MAVERICK UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE DEPENDED ON APPLE’S CLOUD. It removes the ability to sync Calendar, Notepad, and Contacts between your apple devices. You then can only sync them via Apple’s Cloud. For those of you like me, that do not want to be depended on an external data base accessible via the Internet or Cel Phone (with data charges).
Why do I not want to use the Cloud to sync and backup?
1. I found I only have one device with me at a time or am sitting at a computer when I add to my calendar, make a note, or add/change a Contact. Syncing with iTunes while upgrading apps and doing a back up to two external hard drives worked great and met my needs.
2. I use WiFi and pay for the minimum data plan with my Cel provider (AT&T). I do not want to pay higher monthly data fees.
3. I do not like a central data base (that will be hacked someday) having the personal info I have in my Notes, Schedule, and Contacts.
4. I like the security of my most important data being on my own hard drives and written off to Data DVD’s, not subject to even rare central system outages/failures.
5. I do not like the prospect of becoming dependent on a Cloud in which the provider could decide at any time to either start selling information or charging monthly fees to recover the costs of providing the cloud.
I am reluctant to go to the trouble to go back to 10.8 because Apple will eventual stop providing updates to 10.8 and 10.8 compatible applications.
PLEASE APPLE, GIVE US SYNCING VIA ITUNES BACK!!!!!! Why take away one of the most valuable features of iTunes???? Why take away our choice of syncing via the Cloud or locally with iTunes????

You will need to contact Apple through their feedfack channel. These are user to user forums, sorry.
FEEDBACK http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html
Pete

I downloaded Safari 5.1 onto Mac OS 10.6.8 some time ago. Yesterday the back/forward arrows next to the url window changed to a , which adds the current url as a bookmark. I want the arrows back. What happened, and how can I fix this? Thanks. kammro

I downloaded Safari 5.1 onto Mac OS 10.6.8 some time ago. Yesterday the back/forward arrows next to the url window changed to a +, which adds the current url as a bookmark. I want the arrows back. What happened, and how can I fix this? Thanks. kammro

There's another way.
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Just remembered that keyboard shortcut!
You're welcome

Only in FF, Not Mac OS folder windows, when scrolling arrows are held at length scrollbar keeps scrolling to the top or bottom of long web pages with no way to stop this action.

When ever I single click the up or down ARROWS on my Firefox browser windows, they respond just as they are set to in my Mac OS 10.4.10/System Preferences/Appearance menu. They Jump to few lines up or down the Browser Page. Smooth Scrolling is not checked On. But, even when it was checked On, this same anomaly is Repeatable.
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The Arrow button that was selected stays highlighted until the scroll bar reaches its end.
This anomaly does not happen in any other Mac App on my computer. Each time I select and Hold either scroll Arrow Button on any other app. or any folder on my desktop, as soon as I release the button the scrolling action stops immediately.

You need to reset your default settings. This just happened to me recently!
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a box will come up and press reset default settings
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I can't scroll by hitting the space bar, or clicking on the scroll bar itself, or even use the scroll arrows- how do I make them work again?

I wake up, unhibernate my laptop and suddenly I can't scroll by hitting the space bar, or clicking on the scroll bar itself, or even use the scroll arrows. In other programs it works fine. What happened and how do I fix this?

You may have switched on [http://kb.mozillazine.org/accessibility.browsewithcaret caret browsing].<br />
You can press press F7 (on Mac: fn + F7) to toggle caret browsing on/off.
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* Tools > Options > Advanced : General: Accessibility: [ ] "Always use the cursor keys to navigate within pages"
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What are the scrolling arrows above the camera icon in the lower right side of the screen?

When locked, there is a series of scrolling arrows above the camera icon. What is this?

Well. That makes sense.
(I'm in a nefarious divorce and was concerned it was some sort of data backup going on.)
Thanks!

[svn:fx-trunk] 11697: Get scroll bars back.

Revision: 11697
Author:   [email protected]
Date:     2009-11-12 08:15:17 -0800 (Thu, 12 Nov 2009)
Log Message:
Get scroll bars back. Yesterday's rev 11652 which added an invalidateSize() call to the damageHandler interacts badly with a hack in measure() for the scroller to help it deal with resizes that sets _contentWidth and _contentHeight to 0. It is possible that there will be a remeasure, but nothing needs to be composed so _contentWidth and _contentHeight are not updated and the scroller thinks scroll bars are needed.
Remove the code which set _contentWidth and _contentHeight to 0 added for SDK-22469. Much has changed in both RET and the scoller since this code was done. I retested SDK-22469 and it looks good with the code removed and we have scroll bars back when they are needed.
QE notes: could retest SDK-22469 if you desire, need a mustella test for the absence of scroll bars when they should be there
Doc notes:
Bugs:
Reviewer: will be Gordon
Tests run: checkintests, TextArea
Is noteworthy for integration: no
Ticket Links:
    http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/SDK-22469
    http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/SDK-22469
    http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/SDK-22469
Modified Paths:
    flex/sdk/trunk/frameworks/projects/spark/src/spark/components/RichEditableText.as

Thats good news.

I loaded OS X Lion , changed 2 finger scrolling, i want to revert scrolling back to scrolling down is movement towards me, not moving my 2 fingers away from me, I did this by accident , how do i change this 2 finger scroll movement back to original

I loaded OS X Lion , I changed the 2 finger scrolling once OS X Lion was loaded to the movement of moving your 2 fingers towards the screen to move screen down , i want to revert the moving of my screen moving down by scrolling down as the movement towards me , as original when I first received my MAC, not moving my 2 fingers towards the screen , I did this by accident , how do i change this 2 finger scroll movement back to original
in other words - scroll towards me moves screen down
scroll away from me or towards screen moves screen up. this is what I want
now its the opposite
scroll towards me screen screen moves up
scroll towards screen makes screen gone down
how do I fix this mistake i did when I loaded OS X Lion, it asked me to move my 2 fingers on mouse pad, I just moved it towards the screen not knowing this was going to change the scrolling to the opposite of how it scrolled when I first got my MAC, please help I prefer the original 2 finger scroll being towards me is screen moving down, HELP

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Over the past several weeks while browsing Firefox i got a re-direct to a window similar to a Google search not a re-direct to a particular site. I would just arrow back and keep going until it would repeat.

I don't know what version of Firefox I was using. I think it was 4.0 I have just downloaded the newest version 4.0.1 and will see if this continues or has been fixed. It has never done this while browsing with I. Explorer so I assume it to be a browser issue. One of the blogs I read said it was a Firefox issue.
The re-direct would occur usually right after I landed at a new web site or it might occur after I started browsing the site. I don't think it is a virus issue. I use Vipre home edition. The page looked just like a search listing window just like you would get in Google after searching for a subject. I would just arrow back to the site I was at and start again. Sometimes I would have to repeat this several times until it went to the correct site. Any ideas?

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Tab scroll arrows are missing when they should be displayed.

I just got upgraded to FF32 because I'd failed to remember to disable updates following my latest clean install.
Now I don't have tab scroll arrows when there are enough tabs to need them.
This happens in a default profile as well as with my normal profile. In my normal profile I use many extensions such as Classic Theme Restorer and Tab Utilities.

It seem to me there was a reply here with boilerplate "start with extensions disabled, Safe Mode" info that was deleted.
It appears that in FF32, the Tab Utilities extension makes the tab scroll arrows vanish. Disable it they are present, enable it they go away.
Worked properly yesterday with FF 30. (I think it was 30. Don't recall upgrading to 31.)

Down scroll arrow does not work in Firefox or Safari.

When in Firefox or Safari, the down scroll arrow does not work (I have arrows set to top and bottom, both at bottom makes no difference). Striking above or below the scroll bar works as expected (set to one page, up or down). The up scroll arrow works as expected. Both arrows work fine in all other applications (word, excel, powerpoint, preview, etc.). Grabbing the scroll bar and moving it up and down works fine also.
Only failure is the down scroll arrow when in Firefox or Safari.

Thanks for your help, but in setting up another account, I was looking at the settings for Firefox on the MacBook Pro (my wife's computer). I saw that for some reason she had turned off (probably accidentally) the status bar. Some reason turning it off merges the up scroll arrow and the window expansion corner, somehow turning off the scroll bar. Sounds stupid, but by turning it on I fixed the problem she had.

Give me my scroll arrows back!

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