Gmail over IMAP: data loss?

I keep running over my Web host's quotas with my email, so I thought I'd give Gmail-over-IMAP a shot despite my distaste for Gmail's main Web interface.
In Mail.app I selected all 2100 messages in my Inbox and copied them over to Gmail. The operation completed without reported errors, but only 1300 messages made it over! Disturbed, I re-imported the original Inbox from a backup and copied it up to Gmail again, this time as a separate mailbox (label). Again, 1300 messages. As a control, I then copied that same re-imported mailbox up to my original account, and a few minutes later all 2100 messages were visible on the server. So it's not Mail.app.
Two bad things seem to be going on here. The first, and less severe, is that Gmail is running filters on these copied/moved messages as though they were new incoming mail - so some got flagged as spam or moved to other folders. While not a data loss issue, it's still annoying and not what one would expect.
The second is just pure data loss. Even after tallying all the filtered mail I came up about 500 messages short.
I'd love to think I'm missing something obvious here and there's a way around (since the extra, free storage would be lovely and even a mediocre AJAX UI is better than SquirrelMail), but clearly I can't trust a service that predictably loses messages.
Any thoughts?

Well, I don't know how, but after removing all the accounts on my Pre (manually), manually backing up what remained to my Synergy/Palm Profile account, running WebOS Doctor once more and then re-adding all my accounts manually, Gmail is working again. I can't say exactly what fixed it, but man, what a pain!
Oh, and on a side note - nice going with the 2010 EAS (Exchange) calendar FAIL, Palm. I really appreciate that "little" bug too. *Rant off*
(http://forums.precentral.net/webos-synergy-synchronization/222080-calender-not-synching-new-year.htm...)
Message Edited by dpellenwood on 01-02-2010 06:19 PM

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Message Edited by dpellenwood on 01-02-2010 06:19 PM

Help! (Mail) By mistake twice drag-dropped old POP emails to Gmail over IMAP. How stop the duplication?

Sorry for the clumsy title.
I have activated IMAP on my mum's Gmail and am uploading her old emails. The messages are from her pre-gmail times and were, thus, POP3'd to her computer using other email accounts.
The problem is I accidentally twice dragged the emails in one, rather large, folder to the corresponding IMAP folder. As a result I am getting duplicates in Gmail.
This duplication is currently ongoing and wouldn't be so bad were it not for the fact that her internet connection is a 3G broadband connection with a 1GB monthly limit.
Is there any way to "force quit" the copying/duplication from within Mail? I can disconnect the Gmail IMAP account but when I reconnect the duplication resumes.
TIA
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Sorry for the clumsy title.
I have activated IMAP on my mum's Gmail and am uploading her old emails. The messages are from her pre-gmail times and were, thus, POP3'd to her computer using other email accounts.
The problem is I accidentally twice dragged the emails in one, rather large, folder to the corresponding IMAP folder. As a result I am getting duplicates in Gmail.
This duplication is currently ongoing and wouldn't be so bad were it not for the fact that her internet connection is a 3G broadband connection with a 1GB monthly limit.
Is there any way to "force quit" the copying/duplication from within Mail? I can disconnect the Gmail IMAP account but when I reconnect the duplication resumes.
TIA
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[DATA LOSS] I closed the Tab Groups and all my tabs dissapeared. How can I recover the tabs in Firefox 26? Would you please just delete this feature?

Thank-you in advance for reading all of this.
A slip of the mouse in trying to return to the left-most tab caused the tab groups feature to take over the window. I completely failed to comprehend what I was looking at and closed the thing by clicking the x because I damn sure didn't want what I was looking at. Undo close group? Of course not, I didn't want a group in the first place. Hey! My tabs are completely gone now! So in just a few steps all of which seemed innocent, I have lost all but ten of the tabs that were open, and those were only the most recent ten (and actually older tabs would have been more valueable than newer so insult on top of injury).
I don't think increasing the number of undoable tab closures is the answer. I think getting rid of the tab groups feature all together is the best way to go. I seem to have lost all the tabs I had open, irretrievably, and some of them had been open for WEEKS so they can't be reopened from history.
The tab groups feature is a data loss bug. Please remove it from the UX completely. If you have to figure out a way to grandfather people who actually have a tab group, fine but don't further vex me with it, please.
The reason this catastrophe has occurred is that your feature, was so discoverable that I activated it by mistake, and the UI after that had to be learned on the spot, yet was too complicated to learn. You really should withdraw it until you can figure out how to keep the UI for it from causing data loss such as I have experienced this morning.
Also, there may be other questions on this feature which are from a certain point of view the same as this one. It's hard for me to tell for sure. None of them had a true resolution so that's why I posted this one, also I'm seeking a specific fix, removal of the offending feature.
Why remove the feature? Because if I allow in my discussion the possibility of retaining it, it will stick around in its present and dangerous form until your team is done bikeshedding the new form it should take. Instead I want you to delete the feature and then require its champion to convince you that a new incarnation won't cause data loss before you allow it back in.
Fellow users, if you know of a way to recover all 50 lost tabs from an "undo close tab group incident", I would be grateful for that advice, but I would still believe the feature should be deleted. Some of the tabs have been retained for months so digging them out of the history is not practical.

I am not 100% certain but I am fairly sure development of this tab feature has ceased and it is likely to be deprecated. I am even less sure what the replacement will be.
Thus forum is not the place for discussing development issues or feature requests. (Developers do not use this site)
*You could comment using feedback <br /> https://input.mozilla.org/en-US/feedback
*Or try to find a developers forum or mailing list <br /> http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/#general-development
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* see http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Previous-versions-of-files-frequently-asked-questions
* http://kb.mozillazine.org/Sessionstore.js Note the files are kept within the Firefox Profile
** Firefox Button -> Help -> Troubleshooting [open profile] (or some thing similar) is one method of locating the profile.
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Have tried running Techtool Pro 5.0.6 to see if it can see the data but its not seeing anything. Will try Diskwarrior and others, but may well shelve to see if apple gets an os update released for data loss issues.
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So back to my initial suspicions that Snow Leopard or disk utility has screwed things up, maybe a bug, maybe not. And I did run verify first and it said it was OK, only when I re-ran the repair did it then do a "partition update" (or whatever it said - should have done a screen capture - searched apple but can't find listing of all mesgs avail. must be in developers site I expect). So I am back at looking at how to recover, if at all possible, but as Alsoft have said this is not something Diskwarrior can do directly. Files must still be there just partiton map is now in a ... needs to be initialised mode. Not that I will do that.
So I guess summary is possible bug/funny in 10.6 and/or disk utility.
sounds like I will be contacting Alsoft now
may read up on partition map damage first, so I get a better picture of whats involved.
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Hi,
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so, if you are not getting any exceptions, yet the data is incorrect, it sounds like you are having actual network issues. i'd start looking at things like the actual network cards in the computer as well other equipment involved in the transfer. since you are not getting exceptions, the network stack obviously thinks nothing was lost over the wire, so either the actual hardware has issues, or the network stack, or the issue is on the sending end. the last possibility is that the client is somehow munging the data it is sending. do you control the client code? if so, i'd start checking the client side code for bugs (and/or post it here).
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The fact remains, you're using it on an unsupported carrier.
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Hi all,
I've been using Mutt for a while and I very much like it.
However, Gmail's IMAP implementation is a bit weird and causing me some troubles. I'm accessing my Gmail account directly via Mutt (NO offlineimap and NO trash patch). In particular, I'm getting lots of emails marked as new in my All Mail folder that I've already read.
I've realized that if I receive an email, then read it (or remove the new tag), mark it as deleted and then sync-mailbox, when I go to the All Mails mailbox it's still tagged as new.
If I read the message, sync-mailbox (note this additional sync), mark it as deleted and then sync-mailbox once again, then it doesn't appear marked as new on the All Mails mailbox.
Any clues? This is really driving me crazy. I must be doing something really wrong but I can't figure out what. I've already tried setting delete_untag without luck.
Thanks in advance.
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After migration the User's mailbox was initially empty, though the smart folder and standard folder configuration was as expected (Gmail IMAP setup).
Overnight the Mailbox refilled -- but Activity Windows suggested it was pulling data from Google, not from a local store.
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Auto-save and versions, when combined with multiple users and a server environment virtually guarantees catastrophic data loss.
Here's how you replicate it.
(1) Place a photo on a server.
For us, this is where we recommend people keep important files. Their desktop may be backed up with time machine, but the server is RAID 6 with hot spares, and on top of that is backed up every night. Much, much safer.
(2) Open that photo in preview. Crop it so that you can print it. Close preview. Notice it didn't ask you if you wanted to save?
(3) Open that file again. It's still cropped. The original? Gone. Choose "Revert to Saved" from the file menu. Notice the large number of empty windows on the right? Yup, you can't get back to the prior version, even though you never saved.
Now, as a network administrator, imagine the consequences of this for your network. Users accessing shared files and making changes they need, but not saving them because they don't need to be saved. Yup, their version is now THE definitive version for the entire network.
The ability to do non-destructive edits is something that computer users have been doing since, well, the dawn of computing more or less. Lion removes this. Now, add on top of that user mistakes in a network environment. User accidentally deletes all the text from a 24 page document. They don't know what to do so they close the app. Unless the backup has run since that 24 page document was created, it's gone. Forever. And ever. Amen.
Go to backups you say? What if the document isn't accessed for six months from when the user accidentally wiped it out. Hope your backup server is petabyte big, because otherwise that data is gone.
This is a huge, huge problem.
Joel

I am not an idiot. The very reason we are reporting this is that we are testing this and discovered it. It is not about "random people" changing things on the server. People with appropriate access can do catastrophic damage without even realizing it. Yes, I have also reported this via the Lion feedback.
Let me address some of the comments here:
> There is nothing to prevent someone on Snow Leopard from doing the same thing if anyone can save a document.
That's the problem. Nobody has to actually save to wipe data out with Lion. Versions _does not work_ on server volumes. I have tested this with Lion client and 10.6 server and 10.7 server. Same result. Massive data loss.
> Plus, any document over two weeks old would pop-up a big "locked" dialog if the user tried to modify it in Lion. You wouldn't get that before.
Great. Documents can only be inadvertently destroyed for two weeks. Not sure how this makes anything better.
>And why do you have Time Machine on the desktop instead of on the Server? It seems like it would more handy there.
The server is backed up, as are the clients. It's irrelevant to the problem being reported.
>You are the network administrator. Disable Preview and get your users a decent image editor.
Great idea! Until Photoshop supports versions. Microsoft has announced support for versions with office. I guess we'll have to disable that as well. Maybe we should try to fix the actual problem rather than just disabling software that used to work perfectly and moving on...
> The Versions feature is absolutely not appropriate for use in a multi-user context.
I agree. So do mac users stop using servers now? Doesn't seem like a good option.
> I find it hard to believe that any competent administrator would 1) upgrade clients to Lion this soon after release
I have no clients except my own on Lion at this point, for testing. This is exactly the kind of problem I need to trace down before I deal with huge issues from my users. Also, what happens when we buy new machines? Lion only...
> and 2) have versions enabled on shared disk.
We can turn off versions on a shared disk? I do not see any way to do this. Please enlighten me!
> 1) There is no evidence that the original poster has actully upgraded any client or is a network administrator.
I am a network administrator. This only happens with Lion and versions. I have tested this problem against both 10.6 server and 10.7 server. It exists on either.
> 2) Version is a feature of Lion, not the network. The scenario described by the original poster could occur on any non-HFS+ disk.
The problem is that versions _does not work_ on an AFP server, but acts as if it does. When you use "revert to save" you find that there are no versions. Not good...
Joel

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That is actually the safest and easiest option.
Seems easier to command-click drag and drop to me. Losing data is not acceptable under any circumstance.
Everything has been precisely calculated
I don't think that data loss is something that was purposefully precisely calculated.
A short term fix would be for Apple to disable the command-drag n' drop altogether, long term would be to fix the root issue in the first place.
Am shocked to hear that this data loss bug has been known about since 10.3.

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I've been using the POP access for Gmail on my phone for the last month or so, and my battery life has been pretty normal, according to the specs. However, I changed over to IMAP access two days ago, and coincidentally enough, my battery seems to be draining much more quickly. None of my other phone habits have changed, that I know of - in fact, I've been doing less internet browsing as of late.
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Tallguy, read the posts... they are using Gmail with "IMAP" turned on. This feature was only available in the last week or so.
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reconnect and re-send data (so no data loss)
and implementing all of these other features that we all require for "reliable" network communications over public networks.
I would like to use this socket class on both my client and server applications. Does one exist somewhere? It certainly must. I want something that is tried and proven. free is great with open source but paying money is okay too. thanks !

I am surprised at these responses. Using JMS or creating my own ARQ seems to not meet my requirement (lots of overhead in the case of JMS you usually need a middle "server" and the overhead is huge in high bandwidth situations -- lots of cpu and extra bandwidth -- and the ARQ is a nice idea but i really dont want to create anything myself)
The fact is TCP/IP is unreliable over the internet. anyone who tries to use sockets over the internet recognizes this. It is not an issue of my application but the fact of the internet. the internet is designed with the assumption that the internet is unreliable (hence why the government created ARPA and the internet)
so what if i loosened the requirement and said it was okay to lose some packets, but i just need something that knows the other side is alive and will reconnect/discnonect appropriately? doesnt this exist already? i mean every tcp/ip programmer is doing this and anyone who implements tcp/ip with the assumption that the "network is reliable" is going to be in big trouble. It doesnt need to be TCP, it can be a reliable UDP (i dont care what transport is used) but i just need something where i can take my existing code, drop in this new class instead of "Socket" and get my project done. it would be nice if it had features like reconnecting, dropping data if it is too old or if there are too many messages. i will be using it in high bandwidth applications (20-50mbps over the internet) and dont need 100% packet reliability, if we drop some packets due to a hiccup that is ok, but i do need it to be intelligent in reconnecting and such.

There is no Data Loss!

Basically, any Pages file that has been modified and seemingly "overwritten" can be easily restored to its pre-5.0 state within Pages 5 by clicking File > Revert to > Browse All Versions and then selecting the previous version, clicking Restore and then closing Pages 5.0 without saving. That allows you to open the file in Pages '09 and delete Pages 5. Now everything is back to normal and you can continue using '09 until the feature set is restored.
I'm hoping people will continue to explore and verify this, but I've tried it myself and a few others have verified its validity. I started a thread yesterday but it quickly got buried in the swathes of complaints.
robogobo wrote:
Great! Hopefully this means everyone can get back to their old files and continue working in '09 until the feature set is restored to 5.0. Now we can all stop clamoring about Apple intentionally damaging users' work. I was 1000% sure that wasn't the case. After "Save As" was depricated, Autosave and Version History are part of a normal workflow (except for those who rejected the whole idea of auto save - but Apple didn't), which explains why files were not explicitly duplicated with the upgrade and no warning was issued.
Does this work for you, Peter? If so I hope you can see the value of actually using the product before jumping on the bashing bandwagon.
Karabuni wrote:
Seems to work - I've unplugged the external disk as well as turning off Time Machine. Old versions are there, and not only that, when the restored file is loaded into 5, it looks the same as it did in 4.3., whereas if just the latest one is opened, layout is, er, not right.
The "unrestored" file has layout errors, whereas, the "restored" one still looks OK when reopened, even after making a few changes. This might not be the case if a "removed" feature has been used, such as linked text boxes - they are there but not linked.
You will not be able to open this file in 4.3 if you make changes, as robogobo also said.
So, are the earlier versions inside the new one? Word docs have all sorts of old stuff inside if you open them in BBEdit, especially if the author has used an earlier letter to someone else as a template, and altered the text. Having looked at a 4.3 xml file there isn't any changed/deleted text or other obvious stored changes. So they must be somewhere else, I suppose.
The 5 files are zipped .iwa, and I haven't found anything that the system will allow to open them (unidentified developer).
robogobo wrote:
Could someone please verify this? Basically it would mean the transition from 4.3 to 5 is at least non destructive and we're dealing with a loss of features here but no data loss.
robogobo wrote:
Browse All Versions:
Now I hadn't tried this before, but it was on my todo list. When I first noticed problems with files opened in Pages 5.0, I was simply restoring files from Time Machine in order to get back to the original version for 4.3, thinking it was necessary for version history. But correct me if I'm wrong, Time Machine isn't necessary for browsing documents version history. Is that right? I just tested it and it seems to work with my Time Machine disk disconnected. Can someone verify this?
I just opened an old 4.3 document in 5.0, made some changes, saved and closed it. Then I tried to open it in 4.3 and of course it wouldnt open. So I opened it again in 5.0, went to File > Revert to > Browse All Versions and it opened up the interface, which looks like Time Machine (I always assumed it was) but I think it's not. Anyway, I went back to the old version, hit restore and then closed it without saving. I can now open it again in 4.3 in its original state!
Did everyone already know this? If it's true, then there isn't any permanent damage being done, and everything can be reverted to originals from within5.0. I think this is great news.

Jeff Shenk wrote:
If you upgraded directly from Snow Leopard to Mavericks, and never had Versions in Pages 4, can you still revert to the oldest version in Pges 5 and get a Pages 4 document?
The documents brough into Mavericks from Snow Leopard should still be considered the original versions before they're opened in Pages 5, so I think it would work. Probably best to open them in 4.3 on Mavericks first though, to be safe.
At any rate, data loss is only a problem if you have opened the only copy of a document with a new, untried application, and in that case, you are acting as though it isn't a very important document, anyway.
Couldn't agree more.

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