Going back to Tiger...
Is there anyone out there who can give me a good reason not to downgrade back to Tiger when I have the following issues:
1. Photoshop 7 no longer works. Upgrade price is £700
2. iCal 3 is dreadful compared to iCal in Tiger.
3. Spotlight is absolutely dreadful compared to Tiger (specifically in terms of the layout and its ability to decide for you where it's searching).
4. Illustrator 10 is unhappy.
5. Finding networked computers is hit and miss... sometimes it finds them, sometimes it doesn't.
6. Mail will only download files opened within Mail to the Mail Download folder.
7....
The list goes on and on...
Someone (preferably from Apple) please reassure me that at least some of these issues are being sorted out... at least for the Mac apps like Mail, iCal, Spotlight (!!) and Finder...
Please! I'm an avid Mac fan but I'm currently so disappointed...
Edward
A Brody:
Thanks for your response! Just to cover your points:
1. Adobe told me that they could not guarantee that Photoshop Elements would be compatible with the other Adobe products I have (which "basically" work with Leopard (i.e. Illustrator, InDesign etc.) Hence, they said my "only option" is to upgrade to CS3. I know I'm probably being a bit tight but £700 on 4-5 computers in my office is a lot of money...
2. iCal: Go to the iCal user forum (e.g. here http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6253569�) to see some of the gripes! Mainly it's about usability and lack of the sidebar (a function which has been removed) - the lack of sidebar makes it much more cumbersome to use. The user interface has taken a step backwards on a number of counts...
3. Spotlight: my index is fine. Spotlight (and more importantly the 'search' box which appears when you select 'view all' "works" in that it finds everything... but the layout is now dreadful. It's gone from a neatly laid out arrangement delineated by images, documents, presentations etc. to one long list. Have a look here: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6435106� - this shows how the neat look of Spotlight has been replaced by mess! I know I can sort by kind but this will then categorise, say images as 'jpg', in one place, 'adobe jpeg' in another etc. And the image icons are tiny (as opposed to sensibly big in Tiger). I could use the coverflow facility to look but that gives me all the files to see as thumbnails not just images (say). Moreover, it's possible to limit the type of files you're searching for in the spotlight pull down menu (top right) but when you then say "show all" you then can't limit the files you then see... it shows everything! Simply, Tiger was much better.
4. I appreciate that Adobe say Illustrator 10 was only "compatible" with 10.1 but it worked fine with absolutely no issues up to 10.4. It's now not so happy. As with the Photoshop issues, I know it's probably just time to upgrade but it's frustrating nonetheless that Leopard has caused it!
6. Mail: when I say download I mean attachments - the thread I put a link on explains that when you open (doubleclick) an attachment from within Mail it saves that attachment to the Mail Downloads folder. This cannot be changed. If you press 'save' from within mail, you can decide where it saves it, but then you need to open it from wherever that is... which is an extra step! Grrr.
Hope that explains some of the points. My hope really is just to know that Apple are aware of the problems and that they are doing something about it. These forums are great if you have a problem that someone can help solve. But when you read 'that's a function that's no longer available' or similar, I then want to know if Apple are aware people are having issues. It would then be nice if they responded with either 'the reason it's changed is X' (where X is a good reason!) or 'we're working to rectify the situation'.
Sigh!
Edward
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Hi twosparks, and a warm welcome to the forums!
Could be many things, we should start with this...
"Try Disk Utility
1. Insert the Mac OS X Install disc, then restart the computer while holding the C key.
2. When your computer finishes starting up from the disc, choose Disk Utility from the Installer menu. (In Mac OS X 10.4 or later, you must select your language first.)
*Important: Do not click Continue in the first screen of the Installer. If you do, you must restart from the disc again to access Disk Utility.*
3. Click the First Aid tab.
4. Select your Mac OS X volume.
5. Click Repair. Disk Utility checks and repairs the disk."
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106214
Then try a Safe Boot, (holding Shift key down at bootup), run Disk Utility in Applications>Utilities, then highlight your drive, click on Repair Permissions, reboot when it completes.
(Safe boot may stay on the gray radian for a long time, let it go, it's trying to repair the Hard Drive.)
If perchance you can't find your install Disc, at least try it from the Safe Boot part onward.
The usual reason why updates fail or mess things up, is if Permissions are not fixed before & after every update, with a reboot... you may get a partial update when the installer finds it doesn't have Permissions to change one obscure little part of the OS, leaving you with a mix of OS versions. (Well, the Installer actually uses superuser Permissions to do it's work, but after reboot it doesn't guarantee communication with other existing needed files Permissions.)
Some people get away without Repairing Permissions for years, some for only days.
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If many Permission are repaired, or any Directory errors are found, you may need to re-apply some the latest/biggest updates.
May even need to do an Archive and Install if you have room on the HD, but saves all your files and gives a new OS...
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107120
I only use Software Update to see what is needed, then get them for real via...
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/
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From Tiger to Leopard. And back to Tiger...
hi =)
i was running tiger 10.4.10.
i upgraded to leopard quite smoothly.
then i installed the 10.5.1 update.
all went downhill from there on. i always verify/repair permissions + check HD before and after each installation, in addition to running the extended hardware test.
this evening, i finally gave up on leopard, erased my HD and reinstalled everything from the DVDs that came with my macbook (bringing me back to 10.4.8), as leopard could not install due to the macbook crashing all the time during installation (thank you 10.5.1).
i then ran my bootable clone external harddrive using superduper (thank you for backups!) to erase the HD and clone itself on the HD.
so basically, i am back to where i was before the leopard upgrade, i.e. in 10.40.
no data loss of any kind and all applications have updated smoothly, etc.
question:
considering the hassle experienced with 10.5.1 under leopard, and now that everything is running fine, should i tempt faith with the 10.4.11 update? or wait for the next one?
i might reinstall leopard eventually, as that upgrade went smoothly. it was only the 10.5.1 that created havoc.
thank you for your thoughts =)
dominiquehi barry
and thank you for the message.
i am using a USB modem to connect to the net when in the office, as access to some websites (myspace notably) is blocked on our company network.
these USB modems and their related software proposed here in swizerland are still only compatible up to 10.4.10.
so i might hold off on the 10.4.11 upgrade or going back to leopard until all non-apple applications i use (USB modem + superduper mainly) are compatible.
for superduper, i was manually updating all important files and folders on the lacie eyternal disk, so as not to lose its bootable capacity, which would have been lost by running superduer with leopard.
worked well, but a little time consuming =)
patience is the game sometimes.
dominique -
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What's the best way to go backwards?I had the same problem, but with a Canon i9900 printer. Try using a USB cable on your printer, if you are using a firewire cable now. If that works then go back to the firewire cable. One of the two should work. If not then goto the printer OEM web site and look for a Leopard driver, install, restart, and try again with either cable.
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Using your cloned copy back up drive, copy back your Tiger OSX and files to your hard drive.
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Don -
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Thanks for any helpYes, you can do the same as you did previously, with one exception. When you were installing Leopard you were going forward with a newer OS X version.
However, your Mac will block you from installing backwards unless you click the "Options" button at the bottom of the Destination selection screen early in the install process. You will then need to choose the type of install you will be doing, or you will need to choose to erase everything on the hard drive - Leopard and all else. Otherwise, your Mac will block you from accidentally going backwards with OS X by mistakenly using an older install disc, the result of which would be to destroy a more current OS X system.
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I must say that I am extremely happy with my purchase and feel that I am now a Mac user for life for my personal computer needs. Not being very familiar with the OSX interface, I expected my transition time to be longer. But OSX just seems to make sense, in a way Windows could only dream of.
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How to Uninstall Leopard Upgrade and go back to Tiger
I would like to go back to Tiger and was wondering how to uninstall the Leopard upgrade without having to do a full reformat. Is this possible? Thanks in advance!
nerowolfe wrote:
fenderltd wrote:
I would like to go back to Tiger and was wondering how to uninstall the Leopard upgrade without having to do a full reformat. Is this possible? Thanks in advance!
First, welcome to the Apple boards.
Backup what you have because it probably contains things from the original update you want to keep - network settings, passwords, etc. A bootable clone is your best bet - and test it out.
Then you need to format your HD (full, not quick) with the Leopard DVD and then reboot with the Tiger CD and install it. I am not sure how much you can migrate "downwards" from the Leopard backup, but some things will probably come along OK. Not sure about mail since it was converted by Leopard - will it unconvert? Don't know.
I have read of some who tried to simply install Tiger over Leopard but the results were less than great. You can try it once you have that clone backup, because you won't be losing anything.
I would suggest unplugging the clone during the erase and install process until you get to the migration point.
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I have a brand new Leopard based MacBook Pro that I need to revert to its previous cat form of Tiger. Would you mind walking me through it? I have Tiger disks that came with another MacBook Pro so those should have all of the machine specific items I will need. As I understand this, I start the computer from the included Leopard disk and do a full format. (I noticed that there is a new partition style named GUID Partition, is this Leopard only?) Next, I load in my Tiger disks and install from those? I do not need to do any system backups as I have no information on this computer as of yet. Any help would be appreciated.
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I GIVE UP! Is it possible to uninstall Leopard and go back to Tiger?
I am ready to give up for now. Is it possible to uninstall and go back to Tiger?
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How hard would it be to go back to Tiger?
I just can't live with Leopard anymore. Since I installed it, I have daily and repeated crashes of Safari, random things like Calculator don't work, and now, my battery will not charge, essentially turning my laptop into a desktop. I had none of these issues before I upgraded. The battery one seems to be a result of 10.5.1. (Yes, I have checked the adapter. My adapter will charge the SO's identical, but non-Leopard PowerBook, but his will not charge mine) I'm just tired of the frustration. I've been a Mac fangirl for 16 years, but this is enough to make me want to leave.
So, I'm thinking about trying to go back to Tiger. Has anyone done this? Was it successful in making your Mac useful again for something other than being a doorstop? How big a pain in the rear was it? I'm kind of afraid to see what new features 10.5.2 will unleash on my poor PB.
Thanks!Well, you can try starting another discussion with one or more of your specific problems with Leopard and see if someone can help you with them.
Apple recommends doing an erase and install for downgrading to a previous version of OS X. In your case, you'll have to use a Tiger install disk to do an erase and install. Note: This will erase everything from your drive. You'll have to backup any important data first.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25404
Regards,
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