GPS roaming

I have a legit unlocked iPhone that I purchased in Italy (legit as in a legally unlocked iPhone which you pay a premium for). I use an Italian provider, however I was in Switzerland recently, so the phone was on a Swiss network (still has my Italian SIM in). Nothing out of the ordinary there.
I have data roaming turned off, however when I went to use GPS it actually worked even with data roaming turned off. Does this mean A) that it is going over the Swiss carriers non data network or B) the 3GS has it's own GPS radio? I thought it was kind of neat that it actually worked without having data roaming on, however it may just be using the non data network. Any ideas?

GPS itself doesn't need data, but some GPS apps, such as Maps, do. Some navigation apps have built-in maps, so don't need data.

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  • GPS does not appear to work with data-roaming off and no wi-fi network

    I have been using an application called imarkmyspot to produce way-points for synchronising with my camera. When I am in my home country this works fine and a GPS location is found quickly.
    I've recently been abroad and had data-roaming turned off to avoid high expense. The point is that in this situation the GPS does not work (with imarkmyspot or Goggle Maps) unless I can access an open wi-fi network.
    So my question is, is this correct? Does GPS only work with either data access on or when within range of an open wi-fi network.
    If this is feature (bug) of the iPhone then this makes applications such as imarkmyspot rather useless when travelling. Alternatively it could be imarkmyspot that has this problem of course. But I'm quite sure Google Maps did not work either in this situation either.

    The iPhone's GPS does work without a data connection.
    Two weeks ago on a work-related trip I knew I'd be traveling a rural highway that would leave me without data/voice from any source for at least 45 minutes (no GSM service). Before leaving a city with data, I zoomed out using Google Maps far enough to show most of my route, then "nudged" the map so the application wouldn't try to get a data update for the map. I simply used the top power button to turn on and off the screen. The iPhone and GMaps tracked me through for the entire blacked-out section of my trip - I made sure the device had a decent view of the sky and it got a fix and nailed the location within a few seconds.
    Ironically, I'm returning that device in the next few hours for an exchange. The GPS hardware, it seems, has failed about a week ago - the device gets A-GPS fixes now (it shows the nearby 3G and EDGE towers), but won't lock in for more than a second or two. My iPhone's GPS worked, and now it doesn't - AppleCare told me my GPS hardware has failed - and you're may be exhibiting the same failure.
    Some A-GPS devices use their sources to get close by - like my TomTom GO and the ephemeris files it grabs from their servers to get updates on where satellite locations are - and then use the on-board chip to nail the device's position. From what I understand of the iPhone's assistance mechanism, the data tower's and Wi-Fi physical location needs to be correct and available in an accessible database somewhere - my iPhone was showing me near Houston TX (2200 mi/3500 km distant from my actual location) when using 3G data until the data source was updated.

  • Using iPhone's assisted GPS equals high data roaming fees?

    Consider the following setup:
    I buy an simlock-free iPhone 3G S in Brussels, Belgium for €512. I purchase the TomTom navigational iPhone application on the App Store so that I don't have to rely on an expensive Belgian mobile provider to get continuous access to Google Maps. I use this iPhone with a standard voice+data plan.
    Suppose I drive a 300 km south to Paris, France. I use my iPhone with the TomTom app to negotiate the Parisian roads.
    Question: will the GPS unit of my (future) iPhone 3G S be able to find its position on its own without relying on a paid data connection? (even if it takes a while)

    To answer your question, yes it will work. (Just may take more time to acquire sats, like a normal GPS.) Also, I just tried it by removing my SIM and turning off Wifi.
    What Ian said is not quite correct. Assisted GPS does use the network connection and uses either the cell towers or wifi access points (Skyhook.com has more info) to locate you. It uses the SSID of these wifi networks whether or not they are password protected, but needs to exchange this data with Apple/skyhook to figure out where you are, and it does this over a network connection (or wifi, I believe.)

  • I'm taking my cell phone out of the country.  I do not plan to make or receive calls with it, and I will disable the roaming feature.  But, I am wondering if I can use the GPS or access a website with it without costing lots more??

    See above

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  • GPS on 929 when roaming

    I find that the map only finds my location when abroad if I enable data roaming. I thought the whole point of having th downloadable maps was that you didn't need to use data when roaming. I have location services enabled and it works fine in my home country, the UK or when on wifi or when I enable data roaming. Is there anything else that I should do?

    To clarify.  I have now twice roamed with my 920 and the only way that it locates me on the map (which I had pre-downloaded for both countries before departure) was when I was on wifi or had data roaming enabled for over the air reception.  From the reply I received it suggested that it would eventually find my location without enabling roaming, but does anyone have any idea how long this will take - and will the battery still be alive by then?
    In contrast when roaming with my old iPhone 4S, using a Tom-Tom app, I did'nt have to enable data roaming and it worked very well.  I was hoping that the 920 would be at least as good as this.

  • Hi. Can you tell me if using the sat nav functionality on the in-built maps app on my iphone 5, uses just GPS (hence no cost) or GPS and data roaming, hence a running cost for the extent of my journey?

    Hi
    As the tile says, I am looking to find out if I need to purchase an actual Sat-nav app or if I can use the inbuilt functionality and not incur additional data charges
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    The built in Maps apps requires a data connection to download mapping data. So, if you want to avoid data costs, you need to purchase a navigation app that stores the data locally on your phone.

  • Network based and a-gps, data use tests

    i was trying to find this kind of info, but only found others asking.
    i hope this is useful info for others, especially while roaming.
    skip to the bottom for conclusion,
    this is the process i took:
    i called nokia tech support,
    their phone support his horrible,
    the people on the phone don't actually know anything, and have to look up everything you ask them.
    they were the worst.
    i emailed nokia tech support.
    my message was:
    "i would like to know the difference between assisted gps positioning, and network based positioning. these are 2 of the 4 options on my nokia e66 for positioning methods. i would like to know if network based positioning uses internet data from my service provider to obtain my gps position. i am especially concerned with this function while i'm roaming internationally, as i do not want to be charged for roaming data use."
    in about half hour they responded w/ an answer, and then 45 min after that someone else responded w/ an answer.
    the first response, minus the hello's etc. was:
    "In response to your email, Assisted GPS and Network Based positioning methods generate costs related to data traffic so you will be charged for data use. Only "normal" GPS and Bluetooth GPS do not generate additional costs related to data traffic.
    Normal GPS is quite slow and does not work indoors. Therefore, it is recommended to enable at least A-GPS to get a faster position outdoors.
    Network based and Wi-Fi positioning also allow you to update your position inside buildings, but they cannot be used for navigation."
    the 2nd response was:
    "In response to your inquiry, the difference between Assisted GPS positioning (A-GPS) and Network based positioning is that,  A-GPS uses satellites while Network based positioning is based on information of your cellular network environment. It allows you to update your position inside buildings, but they cannot be used for navigation. Both positioning methods generate costs related to data traffic (unless you have configured the device to use Wi-Fi connection to make the internet connection). The cost may vary while you are on roaming. Kindly contact the service provider for information about data transmission costs."
    i can also respond w/ more questions, but instead did some tests, starting with sitting home, indoors, and eventualy moving to a window w/ lots of sky.
    test 1:
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    network based
    assisted gps
    opened maps,
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    cleared all counters and the log on the phone's communication log.
    opened maps
    there is a pink circle around the area i may be in,
    the icon that would show gps satellite strength, changes to show the cell phone antenna icon.
    but the packet data counter is sending/receiving a total of around 3-8kb immediately, and over the course of time, it keeps adding up, every 1-2 minutes, and it is shown as packet data to/from the access point "at&t internet"
    over the course of ten minutes, it's been about 43kb.
    and i can tell on the phone's home screen that the packet data connection becomes active when it does.
    the maps kb indicator still says 0.0kb, with a line through the double arrow packet data symbol.
    test 2:
    now i exited maps,
    cleared the counters and logs
    i turned off a-gps.
    enabled only integrated gps and network based.
    i open maps,
    the same thing is happening as with the assisted gps on, except i connected to my home wlan once, in the middle of connecting to at&t internet 10 or so times.
    everything else is happening the same.
    test 3:
    i exited maps,
    cleared the counters and logs.
    enabled only integrated gps.
    i open maps, and there is no evidence of packet data connection, or wlan connection.
    nothing is showing up in the logs or packet counters, and there is no pink circle around where i may be.
    if i set maps to go online, w/ my wlan as the access point, or at&t internet, their respective icons show up on maps, as well as the phone's home screen.
    the phone's log show respective connections are made but w/ 0.0kb, and the phone's packet counter, as well as the maps kb usage, say 0.0kb.
    test 4:
    set maps to offline, w/ my wlan as access point.
    exited maps,
    turned phone off for a bit to test gps from cold start.
    turned on phone,
    cleared counters/logs,
    enabled only assisted gps and integrated gps.
    open maps, there's no pink circle around where i may be, just the red dot of where it thought i last was.
    there's about 4-5kb of data transfer,
    then i bring the phone to the window where there's a lot of clear sky, and my location is found pretty fast.
    i know that w/o assisted gps, w/ only integrated gps, it takes a while to get the gps signals.
    i went back and forth to/from the window, and there was packet data use again only once more, not continuously like w/ network based positioning.
    so to conclude my tests,
    setting the maps to be offline, still uses a-gps and network based positioning.
    network based uses a more data, continuously,
    which is the opposite of what i thought, i thought a-gps would use more, so i was using network based on and a-gps off while in canada. whoops.
    using assisted gps uses about 5-10kb, which, when roaming, according to at&t, they charge 1.95cents/kb.
    might be worthwhile for getting a quick gps signal, nothing worse than waiting forever for it to connect.
    the only way to be completely clear of data use is disable network based and assisted gps, or set the phone to offline mode.

    A-GPS: This uses information from cell network to get a rough idea of where you are. It then uses this information to figure out which satellites to look for. Result is a faster satellite lock. So A-GPS uses a few kB of data to get an initial position, but navigation is done using GPS satellites, which does not require ANY data connection.
    Network based: This uses information from the cell network to plot the current position when GPS satellite signal is not available, ie indoors, in a tunnel, etc. Position info derived from the cell network is not as accurate as that from GPS satellites, but serves as a stopgap until GPS signal can be re-acquired. Network based positioning used your data connection EACH TIME the satellite lock is lost. So the amount of data used is dependent on the quality of access you have to the GPS satellites. If you don't lose the connection to the GPS satellites, then you won't use any data.
    The ‘offline’ option within the Nokia Maps app only refers to street, POI, etc searches, NOT to A-GPS, Network based positioning or to connecting with the GPS satellites.
    If you want to navigate without using ANY data connection, set A-GPS off AND set Network based positioning off AND set the Internet option in Nokia Maps to Offline. Do this and you will not use any of your data connection allowance when navigating. There is no need to put the phone into flight mode.
    If I've helped you, you can thank me by clicking the green 'kudos' star on my post. Cheers.

  • Roaming Profile Folder Creation Immediately Inaccessible

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  • GPS in USA

    I have a German Iphone with T-Mobil. Will the GPS work in the US without being charged data roaming fees by AT&T? I will be using the MotionX GPS drive app.

    In theory, with data roaming turned off, and your maps stored locally on your phone(make sure your maps are stored locally on your phone!), you should not see any data roaming charges. However, since by design, the iphone is meant to always have a data connection, I've seen reports of roaming data charges(ugly surprises, if you will) even with data roaming turned off. The only way to completely eliminate any chance of this is to: 1. Put the phone in airplane mode, but the GPS chip is turned off in airplane mode, 2. Remove the sim card, you can still use GPS with the sim card removed, or 3. Keep the phone turned off. I would recommend looking at renting a chip from these folks to absolutely insure you don't see any ugly surprises:
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    You typically will need a SIM card for the country you are travelling in. If you don't, then you may encounter roaming charges.
    You may want to contact your current SIM providor, Optus, and see if they have service in the South American countries you are going to visit.
    Click on the following link for the support page for your device on the kb.palm.com webpage.
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  • Nokia 5800 Maps and GPS

    I live in New Zealand and will be travelling too Hawaii next month, if I use the phone for GPS will I be charged for global roaming data?

    Hi, yes you will incurr data roaming charges, previous advice was correct, to disable AGPS you can go into setting-phone-phone mgmt-Application Settings-Positioning-Positioning methods, and un-tick everything except intergrated GPS, this will incur no data charges, and phone will work like a TOMTOM.
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    Message Edited by carman58 on 22-Jan-2010 01:34 AM
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  • IPhone GPS question

    Hello Everybody!
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