GPU on a budget for CS5
Hi, I have a GPU question here.
I’m working with both AVI and AVCHD files (Adobe PPro CS4) and I’m planning to migrate to CS5 soon. Can you please advice me what should be the minimum specs of the GPU for taking advantage of the Mercury feature of CS5? What brand?
This is my current card: MSI N250-GTS-2D1G OC 1GB GDDR3 PCI-E
http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/msi-msi-n250-gts-2d1g-oc-1gb-gddr3-pci-e-video-card -n250-gts-2d1g-oc/10136155.aspx?path=43a8c5e5a1a9380698ff458429e6507cen02
Taking into consideration my workflow (2-3 video layers, color correction across the layers, mostly AVI files), will I notice a significant improvement if I switch for example to GeForce 285 or I should rather stick with my current GPU and invest the money into additional RAM?
Thanks!
The 285GTX right now is the way to go unless you want to try this until the Fermi support is out or with a 480GTX
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/629557?tstart=0
We will be testing the 480GTX with this and see where the known issues are with rendering.
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What laptop to get for CS5 or CS6...
Increasingly there appear questions about which laptop to get for CS5/6.
First, the question is why a laptop and why not a desktop?
Laptops are always at least 2 to 3 times slower than a desktop, they are significantly more expensive than a desktop with the same or better performance and they need a wall outlet to use. Batteries don't last long enough for editing and you need a wall outlet for external components (disks, monitor, BD-R etc.) that are required. All that makes a laptop more like an expensive, underpowered luggable machine.
For video editing machines it is always best to use a machine for video editing only and use a second system for other applications and this is especially true for much weaker laptops than desktops.
So, let me repeat the question: What are the considerations to use a laptop over a desktop? You have to be very clear about it to sell the idea to the one responsible for the budget. You also have to be clear about the performance penalty, if you decide to go forward with a laptop.
OK, we got this out of the way. You have good arguments to get a laptop and you have succesfully sold the idea to the one responsible for the available budget.
So what are your choices and what do you need to look for in terms of specs?
First, let me remind you of the article Adobe Forums: What PC to build? An update... because it contains a number of relevant issues that influence your choice. Basically there are three approaches possible:
Get a laptop from a brand company like Asus, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Toshiba and the like.
Get a customizable laptop from specialist companies like Sager or Clevo.
Get a custom builder like ADK Video Editing build you a system tuned to your needs.
All these solutions have a number of common components, under the assumption you want to edit HD material:
CPU: at least a quad core i7 processor, preferably with hyper-threading. The faster the better.
GPU: at least a nVidia GTX 660M or better with 1+ GB DDR5 memory.
Disks: at least 2 internal 7200 RPM disks.
Connections: minimum is eSATA plus USB3 ports.
Monitor: at least 1920 x 1080 resolution and 15.4" screen size or bigger.
Memory: bare minimum is 8 GB but workable is only 16 or 32 GB.
Looking at brand names one may come up with a short-list like:
Now, in their standard configurations they are all lacking on some aspects. Insufficient memory, only single disk, or lacking connections. If these can not be configured to meet the above practical minimum requirements, where at least 2 disks is the most crucial, there is only companies like Sager and Clevo to look at. Something like this is about bare minimum, because of the underspecced video card:
Despite the price this will still be around 3 times slower than an equally priced desktop. If that performance penalty is too big, then one can consider a system like this:
Again, despite the price, this system will still be more than 2 times slower than a far less expensive desktop, but hey, you knew that when you decided on a laptop and got approval for the budget, right?
The last option is to go to a custom builder to get a laptop that is exactly tuned to your needs and budget. It will not be less expensive than the Sager route, but it will get you the best balance between performance and price for your needs. Additionally, you get great service if ever needed.
To sum this up, a laptop is a compromise. A compromise in performance and price. It is not for the faint of heart, faint of wallet. It is not a laptop, it is a luggable system on a wall outlet. An alternative is coasters under a desktop system and you can use other wall outlets as well, but with a better price and far better performance.
I hope this will help people to decide if they really need a laptop and if affirmative, to get the right system for their needs.As usual, Harm has provided very knowledgeable and helpful advice in this matter. I would like to add that if you are inclined, and feel it's worth a gamble.....New Egg has been selling refurbished Asus i7 laptops that have almost all the necessary components for a lower price than normal. You may have to add more memory yourself and add a quality SSD for OS and programs and pagefile, ( cloned from the supplied drive). Then, use the supplied drive for media and all else in the second bay....or, as an emergency backup of your original configuration. I am not sure,but I think if you put a second Marvell controlled SSD in the second bay instead,( Corsair Pro or Plextor Pro...no Sandforce), you may get the benefit of SATA III speeds from BOTH drives for best laptop performance.....I am not sure if earlier criticisms of SSD degradation still apply with these newer Marvell controlled SSDs.
I DO know that my old Asus G73JW tested MUCH FASTER on Harm's PPBM5 benchmark when I added extra memory,( from 8 to 14GB ), AND used a Corsair Force 120GB SATA II SSD in each of the two internal drive bays. On that site you can see similar laptops to mine performing way slower using less memory and conventional spinning HDDs. At the time, I was careful to choose SSDs that had a high read AND write speed. I have had no issues with my SSDs. I also have used the Seagate Momentus XT hybrid HDD as project drive.....and scored lower on the PPBM test,( not submitted).
Harm is right.....any laptop will not approach the performance of a good desktop setup....not to mention PPro CS 6 appears to be even more powerful and demanding than the 5.03 I'm using. People are reporting needing at least 32GB memory and more than 2GB video card memory to get better performance.
Someone posted about Exotic PC selling upgraded laptops, ( some Asus) with up to 32GB memory and muliple HDD configurations....you may be able to upgrade a laptop similarly yourself for less money. Watch the sales at Tiger Direct and New Egg....you may find some thing workable. -
New system for CS5.5? Some advice please?
Hi- I am getting a new system built specifically to work with Production Premium CS5.5.
I'm afraid I know next to nothing about hardware!
These are some specs that the guys in the shop said would work?
Do you have any comments- will it work? Any better suggestions?
Many thanks
scott
Gigabyte GA-X58-USB3 Intel X58 Socke1t. 0103 66 on1b5o0a.r00
Intel Core i7 950 3.06GHz Socket 13616. 080M B Cac2h3e2 .R00
6 x Corsair Vengeance 4GB DDR3 1600MHz/P6C.30-01 2800 M3e0m.o00
2 x Western Digital WD20EARS 2TB Hard Dr2i.v0e0 SATAII7 85.400
COOLERMASTER RC-502 CENTURION 5 II M1I.D0I0 TOWER 6C0A.S0
OCZ MODXSTREAM PRO 600W SILENT SLI, 1A.T0X02 MODUL6A6R. 00
XFX Radeon HD6770 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E 2.11. 0G0r aphic1s1 2C.a00
MS WINDOW 7 HOME PREMIUM 64-BIT 1PK 1O.E0M0 85.00
LG BLU-RAY 10 X LIGHTSCRIBE BDRW I1N.T0E0R NAL RE7T2A.I00
There are several major problems with that build:
1) The two WD Green hard drives are too slow for video editing. They spin at only 5400 RPM, not 7200 RPM.
2) The i7-950 and X58 combo is about to become obsolesced by the new LGA 2011 Sandy Bridge-E platform with the X79 chipset.
3) Adobe Premiere Pro CS5.x still does not support OpenCL GPU acceleration at all. In fact, the GPU accelerated mode requires an Nvidia CUDA GPU with 896MB or more VRAM in order to even work at all. As a result, the ATi GPU-equipped systems will run CS5.x only in software-only MPE mode, which is much, much slower than the GPU accelerated mode. In other words, the HD 6770 will be equally as slow as integrated motherboard graphics (as far as performance in CS5.x is concerned).
4) Windows 7 Home Premium will not see anywhere near the full 24GB of RAM. In fact, that OS is capped at 16GB of RAM total. You will need Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate in order to use more than 16GB of RAM.
5) That 600W PSU is nowhere near powerful enough to run a video editing system of this class. In fact, that OCZ PSU is not even that good quality-wise. You will need a reallty good quality 750W to 850W 80-Plus Gold rated PSU.
In other words, the guys in the shop know little to nothing about the stuff that they sell. -
Another "will this set-op be OK for CS5.5?" post.
This is yet another "is the computer I want good enough for CS5.5" question. Before I begin I'll ask you to please forgive my ignorance and the length of this post. I'm new to having to care about computer hardware. In the past any decent PC has met my needs, but I'm no longer finding that to be the case as I now have a need to edit video.
So I'll start with my particular needs. I need portability. I'm a student and direct a summer camp. In my role at camp I have identified the need to improve our camp promotional material, and that's where the video editing comes in. I'll be shooting and editing several promotional shorts and a couple of documentary style shorts using DSLR footage and perhaps a little camcorder or two. After much research, and playing around with some free trial software, I've settled on CS5.5, but there's only one problem, my computer just isn't up to the task. Conveniently enough, my current computer has seen better days and it's time to upgrade anyways, so I've been researching and shopping around trying to find an appropriate computer. As portability is a must, and I can't afford a decent desktop and a laptop (and even if I could always transferring data back and forth would be annoying), I've been looking at laptops. It seems like any off-the shelf laptop that is well suited to run adobe isn't really all that portable. Sure you can transport it a lot easier than a desktop, but you can't expect to get a full day of battery life out of it, nor is it a reasonable weight to carry all over creation (my point is that a 17" laptop is out). So I did a little digging, and after reading a lot of posts on this forum and a lot of information from other sources I think I've come up with a solution. I'm looking for input into potential problems any tech-savvy people see with my idea, and sales reps for dell aren't tech savvy, so I figured this was a good place to find out how well adobe would run on my proposed set-up (I'm not a pro, and won't be editing feature length films, so I don't think I need the same performance as a tricked out desktop, I just need it to perform well with as few hold ups as possible).
Here's what I've come up with:
Dell XPS 14z:
Intel core i-7 2640M (2.8GHz, with "turbo boost" up to 3.50GHz)
8 GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM
750 GB SATA, 7200rpm hard drive
Nvidia Geforce 520M 1GB graphics card
The only information on screen resolution I could find on the Dell web-site was "true 720p HD display" after reading a few reviews, I found the specs were lower than the minimum recommended by Adobe, I forget exactly what they are though.
So this computer is more than I would ever need for my non-video editing needs. On paper it's a nice little laptop, a little pricey ($1300!), but they can be had at a very reasonable price ($700 - $800) refurbished from the Dell online outlet. None-the-less I can see several problems with this set-up.
First is the Display: it's inadequate. That's easily solved by using an external monitor, and you can get a pretty decent monitor off of tiger direct for less than $200. I can tolerate video editing at a desk, I need portability for other applications.
Second is the hard drive. From reading this forum I understand that editing with only one hard drive can slow things down quite a bit. I was wondering how big a deal this really is for the casual editor? There are adaptors that allow you to place a second hard drive where the optical drive is in this laptop. If it's necessary, I plan on putting a second 750GB 7200 rpm HDD where the optical drive is. Problem solved, right? Does anyone see any problems with this idea? My next question about the hard drive topic is: how much would a third hard drive really benefit me? And would data transfer using an external HDD with a USB 3.0 connection be fast enough to be a viable option for a third drive? Either way I could pick up an appropriate hard drive and caddy for a little under $175 and around $100 for an external HDD with USB 3.0 to be used as a third drive if necessary.
The third potential problem is the RAM. It seems there are a lot of opinions out there about how much is enough. Is 8 GB adequate? According to intel's web site this particular processor is compatible with up to 16GB of RAM, and after searching various forums I found a couple instances of people expanding their RAM on this computer to 16GB with no issues. I understand that I can replace the current 2x4GB set up with either 1x4GB + 1X8GB or 2x8GB to give either a total of 12 or 16GB of RAM. Is this necessary or even beneficial? 8GB would be more than enough for anything else I do, and since I have little experience with video editing I thought I'd ask those who know. Is a RAM upgrade necessary? Using this configuration I could update the RAM to 12 GB for around $100 and to 16 GB for around $200.
Finally, the graphics card that comes with this computer isn't on the list of cards recommended by Adobe. I understand that this is because it doesn't support CUDA, how much of an issue is this? Will I be able to efficiently edit video without a recommended card?
The point of all the numbers is this: 800+200+175+100=1,275. For $1275ish it seems to me I could get a very reasonable video editing set up that's still portable. That's less than the sticker price on these laptops, and a lot less than a mac book pro, which is everyone's first recommendation when I mention I want to use the computer for video editing. This seems like a very reasonable price for a laptop with an intel i7 2.8GHz, two 750GB 7200rpm HDD's, 12GB of RAM, and an external monitor for when I want to sit down and edit. Am I delusional in thinking this would run well using CS5.5?
So I guess the point is this. Life is about trade offs, and since I primarily need portability and I'm not a professional (just an anal consumer with high standards :), I'm willing to trade a little bit of video editing performance for the improved portability. I want the opinion of those who have experience using CS5.5 with various set-ups, does my proposed set-up seem like a reasonable trade-off? Are the upgrades even neccessary? Would they be enough to provide a reasonable editing experience? Any other advice (besides buying a desktop or a wicked expensive 17" laptop that weighs two to three times as much and chews through battery life)?
Thanks for sticking with this and giving me any feedback. It's appreciated!Benson,
Glad the comments were helpful!
Regarding RAM, the following test results were mine from an old thread:
"...RAM size: increasing from 4GB to 8GB doubled the MPE GPU performance [11 sec. vs. 6 sec.] and improved the MPEG2-DVD performance [122 sec. vs. 91 sec.]; the other tests only improved marginally. Increasing from 8GB to 16GB made significant additional improvements to the MPEG2-DVD time [91 sec. vs. 37 sec.]; all other tests hardly changed at all". [Note that my testing, and current system, run 5.0.3, not 5.5, but I suspect that these results are still probably reasonable for your situation.]
Thread was: http://forums.adobe.com/message/3465135 (How changes to CPU speed, RAM size, and drives impacted my PPBM5 score)
Regarding graphics card RAM, either card would work just fine for you. User's that have a need for massive frame sizes might benefit from the 3GB model, but for normal HD work the 1.5 will be fine.
Regards,
Jim -
New PC Build for CS5 Master Suite
Hi,
I'm building a new PC to use with the CS5 Master Suite of programs (amongst others) and am looking for a little advice.
I've already read through lots of posts here and got some valuable advice, however there are so many different options available that I still have some questions. I hope you can help.
System will be used for web design, graphic design, photo editing and video (inc HD).
Here is the component list I've put together so far:
1. Motherboard
Asus P6X58D Premium Intel X58 (Socket 1366) DDR3
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-379-AS
£243.00
2. CPU
Intel Core i7 930 2.80GHz (Bloomfield) (Socket LGA1366)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-318-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat= 1272
£222.00
3. Memory
Corsair Dominator Tri Channel 6GB (3x2GB) PC3 - 12800 1600MHz DDR3
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-269-CS&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat= 1389
£190.00
4.System HD
Western Digital VelociRaptor 150GB 10000RPM SATA-II 16MB Cache
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-236-WD&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat =167
£135.00
5a.Storage HD's
Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-082-SA&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat =1279
£57.00
5b.OR
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-336-WD&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat =1279
£77.00
6a. Quiet Case
Coolermaster Sileo 500 Silent Case - Black
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-164-CM
£63.00
6b. OR
Antec Solo Quiet Mini Tower Case
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-058-AN&tool=3
£73.00
6c. OR
Antec Sonata III Piano Black Quiet Case
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-073-AN&tool=3
£105.00
7a. CPU Fan/Cooling
Noctua NH-D14 Dual Radiator CPU Cooler
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-011-NC
£67.00
7b. OR
Corsair H50 CPU Watercooling
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-002-CS
£67.00
8a. Graphics Card
Asus NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 1526MB
http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=46710
£435.00
8b. OR
nVidia GeForce GTX 470 PCI-Expres VGA Card 1280MB
Eclipse Computers
£312.00
8c. OR
PNY Quadro FX 1800 768MB
£266.00
9a. Quiet Power Supply
Corsair HX 750W ATX Modular SLI Compliant Power Supply
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-018-CS&groupid=701&catid=123&subca t=1084
£130.00
9b. OR
Corsair HX 1000W ATX Modular SLI Compliant Power Supply
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-012-CS&groupid=701&catid=123&subca t=1084
£195.00
10. Windows 7 Pro 64Bit
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-Bit - OEM
Overclockers
£120.00
1. Has been recommended on these forums. Good to have USB3.0.
2. CPU is affordable and fast, with the ability to overclock it if I feel the need for a bit more speed in the future.
3. Would love 12GB, but will start with 6GB and perhaps add more later.
4. Started looking at Solid State Drives as I love the comments about how fast they load programs, etc., however as they are still really expensive felt that going with a fast standard drive would be best. As I plan on having a dual boot system, I would get two of these. One would have OS, CS5 and all my other software installed and the other one would have the minimum for CS5 installed and the OS tweaked for performance with video editing.
5. Both seem like great drives. Anyone any preference? Would plan on getting two and use one to store video rushes and the other for previews and the page file. Would getting a HD with a 6GB/s interface be worth it?
6. I want a quiet case and one that's no higher than 45cm. I already own the Antec Solo and I like the elastic HD mounting. Anyone any preference?
7. Noctua comes recommended on these forums, however am concerned with it's size. Love the idea of water cooling an the H50 system make it easier and less fuss being a closed system. Final choice must be quiet and I've read differing reviews on both.
8. Can't wait to use the MPE, so want a decent card. Torn between getting a cheaper card and upgrading later or spending the money now on a GTX480 and doing the software hack until fully supported.
9. With a GTX480 would a 750w PSU be enough?
GRAPHICS CARD
I've read reports of the GTX480 not being faster than the 2XX version card, however am I not correct in saying that the 2XX cards are no longer being sold? Should I be looking for a card from a particular manufacturer, i.e. Asus, Gainward, Point of View, Gigabyte? Or even Nvidia themselves?
I am worried about the heat generated by the GTX480 and the associated fan noise to cool it. Any thoughts?
Love the water cooling solution, perhaps some day. http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-480-liquid-cooling-danger-den-review/1
HD SET-UP
C:
WD VelociRaptor 150GB
Main System
C:
WD VelociRaptor 150GB
Video System
D:
DVD Burner
E:
Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB
Video rushes
F:
Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB
Video previews / Page File
G:
1.5TB
Other storage
H:
1.5TB
Other storage
DUAL BOOT
For my dual boot, has anyone had experience of using a HD caddy like this one? http://www.ebuyer.com/product/172727
I read a review which said that there was no real speed difference as there is no interface card, just a cable to the motherboard. It would make my dual boot less complicated to set-up as I wouldn't need to use Win 7 to dual boot or use 3rd party software like Acronis OS Selector. It would also free up space for a further internal HD.
PREMIERE OUTPUT TO A HDMI SCREEN
I've been going back and forward on the best solution to get a proper output of my timeline in Premiere to an external monitor. I was set to go with the Matrox MX02 Mini, however some here have said they're unstable (to a degree). Although with the CS5 drivers not out yet, perhaps it's too early to say.
Although none of my video work has been for broadcast (so far), I see a great benefit from being able to preview my timeline on a TV screen as opposed to a PC monitor. I will be running two screens so I need both outputs from the graphics card.
I look forward to receiving your collective wisdom.Here are the components I plan to buy this week:
Description
Inc VAT
1000W Corsair CMPSU-1000HXUK, ATX, EPS12V, PS/2, Modular Power Supply, UK Version, 5 Year Warranty
£184.11
300GB Western Digital WD3000HLFS VelociRaptor, SATA 3Gb/s, 10000rpm, 16MB Cache, 4.2 ms
£154.78
Coolermaster ATCS 840 Classic Full Tower Aluminum Case, Black w/o PSU
£143.31
1TB Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3, SATA 3Gb/s, 7200rpm, 32MB Cache, 8.9 ms, NCQ, OEM
(2x) £96.30
Sony AD-5240S-0B 24x DVDR 12xDVDDL DVDRW x8/-RWx6 SATA Black
£14.99
12GB (6x2GB) Corsair Dominator, DDR3 PC3-12800 (1600), CAS 8-8-8-24, DHX, XMP, DF, 1.65V
£357.34
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit, Single, - OEM
£110.53
Intel Core i7 930 D0 SLBKP Bloomfield 45nm, 2.8 GHz, QPI 4.8GT/s, 8MB Cache, 20x Ratio, 130W, Retail
£236.37
1280MB Asus GTX 470, 40nm, 3348MHz GDDR5, GPU 607MHz, Shader 1215MHz, 448 Cores, 2xDVI,mini HDMI
£293.13
Asus P6X58D-E, Intel X58, S1366, PCI-E 2.0 (x16), DDR3 1333/1600/2000, SATA 3Gb/s RAID, ATX
£168.22
Noctua NH-D14 Dual Radiator CPU Cooler (Socket LGA1366/LGA1156/LGA775/AM2/AM2)
£66.99
Noctua NF-P12 Vortex-Control 120mm Quiet Case Fan - 3 Pin
£17.61
Noctua NF-S12B ULN Ultra Low Noise 120mm Cooling Fan, 500/700 RPM
£16.99
Plus a couple of PSU to motherboard extension cables and Windows 7 Pro. It was mentioned by someone that the CPU thermal paste you get with the HN-D14 is fine, so no need to buy anything else.
One extra fan (NF-S12B) to cool hard drives and the other for somewhere else in the case. Perhaps I don't need these.
I presume that I should try and get an OEM CPU as I'll not need the heatsink and fan that'll be in the retail version?
I'm just waiting for Scan to get the case back in stock. Should be today. All priced at Scan, except last three items which are from Overclockers.
Anyone any final thoughts or tips? -
GPU Settings Became Unavailable PS CS5 32 Bit on Win7 x64
I have an ATI Radeon HD 4670 card by VisionTek with 1 GB of RAM in my Windows 7 x64 Ultimate 8 GB workstation. I run a dual monitor setup, and have all video driver software up to date (as well as Windows 7). The system is running perfectly, not logging any errors nor exhibiting any signs of other problems.
My video card/system have supported GPU acceleration since PS CS4, and when I first installed PS CS5 I was able to immediately configure the settings to enable OpenGL Drawing in CS5 32 bit, then exercise the GPU (after a restart of CS5 32 bit) but now the settings are unavailable and the software reports "No GPU options available with Photoshop Standard":
The 64 bit build of PS CS5 DOES allow the GPU settings, and it works with them just fine:
When I initially ran CS5 32 bit I was NOT running Aero (i.e., the theme was Windows 7 Basic), as I was sharing my desktop with a co-worker using RAdmin (so we could both experience the installation and setup process). However, manually selecting the Windows 7 Basic theme now does not re-enable the ability to configure OpenGL Drawing.
The only things I did between the time the setting was available and wasn't was to arrange my palettes and create a Workspace within which to keep them.
The memory setting (shown at 100% above for CS5 32 bit) does not affect this issue.
Any ideas how to get back OpenGL acceleration in 32 bit CS5?
-NoelNote: I edited this response after seeing your second response.
On initial startup Photoshop 32 bit is offering the OpenGL configuration, implying the driver has said that it CAN do the OpenGL operations. Additionally, when enabled (on the first Photoshop startup or subsequently via the registry tweak) the functions DO work, flawlessly from what I can see.
It doesn't MATTER why it doesn't work. I (the user) don't have the facilities to MAKE it work properly nor even to diagnose it further. You do. Thank you for agreeing to look into it further.
There are several purposes a forum can serve:
1. Users can help other users get around problems they have, either because they've done something wrong, or via a workaround.
2. A dialog can be created between users and developers.
Please, let's not allow item 2 to be an avenue where Adobe just tries mightily to dodge responsibility for the problem.
It's YOUR application that does not work properly. Everything else works great. You'll have to trust me on that - if I could provide some additional proof (system uptime info? reliability index? what?) I'd do it in a heartbeat. I can assure you've I've installed the drivers correctly as well.
I'm a career software developer myself with 34 years experience. When Windows 7 first came out users started to report crashes of Photoshop after using one of my plugins. Did I tell them "It's the fault of Windows" or "It's the fault of Photoshop"? No. I apologized that MY application was not working perfectly under those conditions. I then investigated the problem, found that a Windows call having to do with using a patterned pen was causing memory corruption in Photoshop, and developed a workaround so that with that particular combination of software the crash is averted. I also then reported the root cause of the bug to Microsoft.
-Noel -
Mac Conversion for CS5 Nightmare
After seeing the FCP Supermeet at NAB this year I decided to make the switch to CS5.5
I took the following Mac and made these changes to upgrade the Mac in prep for CS5.5:
Intel Mac 3,1 Quad Core 2008
3Ghz
Up'ed the Ram to 32Gb DDR2
Clean Install (Erase/Reformat) 320Gb 7200RPM Operating System Drive and installed 64 bit Snow Leopard
Installed updates to make Snow Leopard 10.6.7 version
Installed base driver for new Quadro 4000 for the Mac graphics card (because of Apple partial support you have to use an older graphics card to install this driver BEFORE you install the Quadro 4000 physically)
Physically installed the Quadro 4000
Installed the Cuda driver
Updated the Cuda driver to current driver using the Cuda Panel interface
Installed CS5.5 from DVD disc set
Have separate 750Gb 7200RPM media drives
Have an external 600mbps read/write dual channed 0 Raid array for media as well
NIGHTMARE!
Can barely play 1 track of h.264 video/audio on an HDSLR timeline preset
Can barely play 1 track fo video/audio on XDCAM EX 720p 24fps that comes with Adobe CS5 Classroom in a Book
Playback stutters and drops frames, audio glitches even when Playback Resolution is dropped down to 1/2 and 1/4 resolution
I have used both the Playback with Mercury and GPU acceleration and Mercury Engine Software only - same resulting stuttering playback
Watching graphical CPU usage when playing back single track and there seems to be plenty of headroom
Media is stored on drive and raid separate from operating system drive. Scratch drive is on drive separate from Op Sys drive
The only out of spec component with this Mac is I am missing "Core Audio sound card"
But I have seen all sorts of Mac laptops running multiple tracks of HD with all kinds of effects applied and they played/scrubbed through the composition like butter.
Any idea - this MacPro tower with 32Gb and Quadro 4000 cuda card should tear it up with CS5.5All our other edit bays are still at 32bit Leopard and are on jobs.
We pulled this one and did the noted conversion that we are having the problems with.
I guess your testing is both good news - the 3,1 model CAN be converted over and do a decent job.
I assume your co-worker's 3,1 had a Quadro 4000 for the Mac graphics card?
No choppy dropped frames at 1/2 or 1/4 playback resolution?
Bad news is the only idea I have left is start all over again and see if that changes it.
One new item to note, this morning on boot-up, when opening the "About this Mac" panel, the internal bong sound starts going off repeatedly (as if you are holding down a keyboard key continuously. And the scroll bars could not be used - when you drag one down and let go, they pop back up to the top. The only way to stop this all was to re-boot.
Yesterday I re-installed FCP and that gave me back the codec for nanoFlash XDCAMHD 422 files (and probably a lot of other missing codecs).
I then opened up a matching sequence in Premiere CS5.5 and was able to import one of these files now - so your advice on the missing codec helped here.
But when I placed this file on the timeline - video only - no audio, it stuttered and dropped frames no matter what resolution used for playback,
Then, here is the most telling thing, I rendered the "entire workspace" (1 clip of video only - 20 secs in length) it took 2mins/52 seconds with all 8 cores maxing out to render it.
I then got the green line above the video in the timeline - AND STILL THE VIDEO PLAYED BACK STUTTERING AND DROPPING FRAMES EVEN THOUGH RENDERED!!
That seems to indicate I either have something wrong with the video card or it's drivers? And maybe this morning's boot up demonstrates that as well?
What do you folks think?
Thank you so much Todd for making the extra effort to help with my problem.
So anyone following this issue, it appears to not be a CS5.5 issue - but an issue with my individual machine - or graphics card or driver. Would be interested to know what graphics card and drivers you folks were using for this test. -
I have just downloaded pixel bender for CS5 and
I have just downloaded pixel bender for CS5 and know I get this message The image dimensions exceed the hardware capabilities of your GPU. What do I need to do to make it work
What are the pixel dimensions of the image?
You might try reducing the pixel dimensions of the image and see if that makes a difference.
Image>Image Size -
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Hello everyone. Ron here from Toronto Canada.
I'm a serious hobbyist leaning more towards video and flash production, attempting to put together a PC for CS5 Production Premium.
I've gone through this forum recently (a few times, actually - great info - thanks guys) and have put together what I think I want, as I'm not a hardware techie.
I'm looking to see if I'm going on overkill, or if there are any finer details I may have missed in putting together these hardware components.
Ex: Motherboard fits in case; CPU Cooler doesn't block RAM slots; GPU good enough - SuperClocked worth the price; Overclocking issues; Good Blu-Ray burner; Hardware alternatives; etc...
Your thoughts and suggestions are most welcome.
PC-X2000F - LIAN-LI Black Aluminum ATX Super Full Tower Computer Case
CMPSU-1200AX - Corsair Professional Series Gold 1200W ATX Fully Modular 80PLUS Gold Power Supply
GA-X58A-UD9 - GIGABYTE LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 XL ATX Intel Motherboard
015-P3-1485-AR - EVGA 015-P3-1485-AR GeForce GTX 480 (Fermi) SuperClocked+ 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
* Was going for the Quadro FX3800, but understand they're going EOL
F3-12800CL7T-12GBTDD - G.SKILL Trident+ Turbulence II 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model
BX80613I7980X - Intel Core i7 980X Extreme Edition Six-Core Socket LGA1366, 3.33Ghz, 6.4GT/s FSB, 12MB L3 Cache, 32nm (Retail Boxed)
NH-D14 - Noctua Six Heatpipe Dual Radiator CPU Cooler for Intel Socket LGA1366/1156/775 & AMD Socket AM2/AM2+/AM3
AS5-3.5G - Arctic Silver 5 (3.5g) High-Density Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Compound
WD2003FYYS - (2x) Western Digital RE4 2TB SATAII 7200RPM 64M Buffer - OEM
WD6000HLHX - Western Digital VelociRaptor 600GB SATA 6Gb/s 10000RPM 32MB OEM
LG WH10LS30K - LG 10X Blu-ray Burner - LightScribe Support - Bulk - OEM
GLC-00736 - Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - OEM
Thanks again.Thanks Harm. Phew!! What a relief.
My next step is to order my list through a local computer store rather than online, and have them build it for me for the cost of shipping and me trying to build it myself.
>> I wonder where you can find the F3 Trident 4 G sticks though. A great choice but hard to get I think. I have been looking at that memory as well to upgrade to 24 G.
I got the idea from: http://forums.adobe.com/message/2968126
Which led me to: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231381
This led me to another question. In the reviews section ( http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16820231359 ) there's mention of the price for the 6x4 sticks being a marketing trick, where its cheaper to buy 2x (3x4) sticks. Yet one reply to that, mentions the price difference is because the 6x4 sticks are all made to work together. I also read somewhere that its better to get the 6 pack because they're all manufactured on the same line. Any thoughts?
>> If anything critical, consider more disks and a separate hardware controller for the RE4's. Not absolutely necessary, but desirable.
I thought about this already from previous discussions. Thanks for mentioning it, however. Greatly appreciated. In my case, this will be a future consideration.
Thanks for the fast response, Harm.
And many thanks to the other contributors for your time and wealth of information.
Ron -
Best $3K off the shelf system for CS5??
for us newbies...what
would be the Best $3K off the shelf system for CS5??
thxok...dell and hp steal
you blind on necessary upgrades...is the customer support and "security" offered by
them a good enough trade off with the "build it yourself/have it custom built" danger of not knowing what to do if/when things go wrong?
i am just looking to do low level (but high quality) professionasl stuff...i.e. budget weddings/training/memorials/recitals etc. and feel i am not far enough along on the high tech learning curve...but moving as fast as i can.
ALSO...and maybe this is another conversation...but:
is the miniDV tape (for SD and HDV) about over now and are we comletely into the "tapeless" video era?
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Dear All,
I am looking for advice on what drive configuration to use. I am currently reformatting all drives for a new cs5 install and have the following drives:
1. WD Raptor 10000rpm 150gig
2. WD Raptor 10000rpm 300gig
3. Seagate 7200 rpm - 1.5tb
4. Seagate 7200 rpm - 1.5tb
I have read various forum messages, but need some clarification on what to install on what drive
I have Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit with 6 gig memory and i7 processor
I assume windows is best installed on either of the faster WD drives. and my video projects on the seagate drives.
Where should cs5 program files be ?
I have raid options but dont know a lot about the best set up
Any advice most welcome, would like to try to get it right first time!
Regards
Chris AndersonHi Harm
many thanks for your reply. I am considering purchasing new HD's specific to build a machine just for CS5.
What would you recommend for performance. No price budget as such.
Im thinking 15000rpm.
Im thinking SATA - is this the fastest?
Do i have to consider the motherboard to support fast sata drives? - i am confused as i see you can get sata drives with a 6gig transfer speed, does this depend
on the motherboard?
Would a bigger cache ie 64mb make a good improvement?
Any advice most welcome
Thanks
Chris Anderson -
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I have been able to compile the XMP-Toolkit-SDK-5.1.2 and use it successfully in a plugin for CS5.0 Mac OS X.
Im now trying to do the same on windows, but with no luck. Im using MS Visual C++ 2008 express edition.
There seems to be a conflict between the XML library and msvcprt.lib library. If I try to exclude the msvcprt.lib library I get only one error.
If I try to exclude the msvcprt.lib i get the following problem:
1>PlugInStatics1.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "__declspec(dllimport) public: __thiscall std::locale::id::id(unsigned int)" (__imp_??0id@locale@std@@QAE@I@Z)
I get the following linker problems:
1>XMPCoreStaticRelease.lib(WXMPMeta.obj) : MSIL .netmodule or module compiled with /GL found; restarting link with /LTCG; add /LTCG to the link command line to improve linker performance
1>msvcprt.lib(MSVCP90.dll) : error LNK2005: "public: __thiscall std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >(class std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> > const &)" (??0?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@QAE@ABV01@@Z) already defined in XMPCoreStaticRelease.lib(XMPCore_Impl.obj)
1>msvcprt.lib(MSVCP90.dll) : error LNK2005: "public: __thiscall std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >::~basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >(void)" (??1?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@QAE@XZ) already defined in XMPCoreStaticRelease.lib(WXMPMeta.obj)
1>msvcprt.lib(MSVCP90.dll) : error LNK2005: "public: char const * __thiscall std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >::c_str(void)const " (?c_str@?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@QBEPBDXZ) already defined in XMPCoreStaticRelease.lib(WXMPMeta.obj)
1>msvcprt.lib(MSVCP90.dll) : error LNK2005: "public: __thiscall std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >(char const *)" (??0?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@QAE@PBD@Z) already defined in XMPCoreStaticRelease.lib(XMPCore_Impl.obj)
1>msvcprt.lib(MSVCP90.dll) : error LNK2005: "public: unsigned int __thiscall std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >::size(void)const " (?size@?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@QBEIXZ) already defined in XMPCoreStaticRelease.lib(WXMPMeta.obj)
1>msvcprt.lib(MSVCP90.dll) : error LNK2005: "public: void __thiscall std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >::push_back(char)" (?push_back@?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@QAEXD@Z) already defined in XMPCoreStaticRelease.lib(XMPUtils.obj)
1>msvcprt.lib(MSVCP90.dll) : error LNK2005: "public: class std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> > & __thiscall std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >::assign(char const *,unsigned int)" (?assign@?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@QAEAAV12@PBDI@Z) already defined in XMPCoreStaticRelease.lib(XMPCore_Impl.obj)
1>msvcprt.lib(MSVCP90.dll) : error LNK2005: "public: char const * __thiscall std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >::data(void)const " (?data@?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@QBEPBDXZ) already defined in XMPFilesStaticRelease.lib(P2_Handler.obj)
1>msvcprt.lib(MSVCP90.dll) : error LNK2005: "public: class std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> > & __thiscall std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >::operator=(class std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> > const &)" (??4?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@QAEAAV01@ABV01@@Z) already defined in XMPCoreStaticRelease.lib(XMPCore_Impl.obj)
1>msvcprt.lib(MSVCP90.dll) : error LNK2005: "public: __thiscall std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >(void)" (??0?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@QAE@XZ) already defined in XMPCoreStaticRelease.lib(WXMPMeta.obj)
Best Regards
/ Pontus HulinHi Pontus.
You're probably mixing static libraries with shared.
Regards
Bartek -
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I am referring to the DVD installation Disks not Cloud. Disk last release, I believe in 2012.
Thank you.at the link i posted i see an upgrade for cs5 and cs5.5.
you can contact adobe support if you don't see that.
contact adobe support by clicking here and, when available, click 'still need help', https://helpx.adobe.com/contact.html -
I have 2 license for cs5.5 I am using one on my Windows 8 operating system... the other I cancelled and want to put it on a new apple operating system /... can you give me the link to down it to my new apple all in one computer??? Please HELP> send download link or call me 2 850.501.1499 mor send seperate e-mail to [email protected] THANKS DAVID
Hi David,
I would like to inform you that if you have a Mac serial number with you, only then you would be able to activate it on your Mac machine.
Here is the download link for the same.
Adobe CS5.5
Thanks,
Atul Saini -
Upgrade to CS4 web premium . . . or wait for CS5 ?
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We have CS3 Web Standard, and now want to upgrade to Web Premium so we can get Photoshop and Illustrator which we now need, but with some pain could probably find a way to hold off for another 6 months .... if it was worth the wait that is. We don't necessarily need (and can't afford) the latest Software version all the time, but has there been any discussion about Improvements or New Features in the next release that's going to make us regret not waiting .......... ?
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