Grep Styles/Nested Styles from the end of the paragraph

Hi -
It appears that grep styles, and nested styles only allow you to apply styles from the beginning of the paragraph until the match.
I'd like to be able to apply styles from the END of the paragraph going back.
This would allow me to apply a non-breaking character style to the end of a paragraph to control "runts". You could make the last two words of a paragraph non breaking, or set a 15 character threshold.
This wouldn't work for all cases, but I'm working with centered, non-justified text, so it should work fine. If the feature were there.
I'm sure there are other things one could do with it as well.
There's a good discussion, and a MANUAL work-around on
http://pdsassoc.com/tipsCS/DeruntingParagraphs/index.html
Tom

I used your suggestion and reviewed the tutorial again.
Sometimes a missing piece of info drives you nuts.
Thanks again.
My clients will love this enhancement.
CS rocks.

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