GROUP CONDITION ROUTINE IN PO

Hi all,
in M/06 I have put flag GROUP CONDITION and I have choosen GROUP CONDITION ROUTINE 3 (material Pricing group).
Calculation Type= Quantity
Scale basis= Quantity
I have created 2 condition records for 2 materials with scales.
These 2 materials have the same material price group.
Why when I do purchase order the system doesn't accumulate the item quantities?
If I do the same configuration in SD the system sum the quantities and get the right scales for each material.
Does the group condition routine 3 valid only for SD documents (Sales Order) and not for MM documents (Purchase Order)?
Thanks a lot
Best regards
Alba Battolini
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Edited by: Jürgen L. on Mar 9, 2012 4:38 PM

HI,
Condition type for Planned delivery cost, like FRA1, FRB1,ect, have Acc. key& Accrual key like FRE, FR1 in PO pricing procedure(calculation schema)
Deselected the indictor of Statistics.
By doing it will included the deliverycost into the net price by removing Statictis indicator.
Regards
KK

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This depends on your requirement. If you have defined the condition at the material pricing group level, then no need. The routine is used only if you want the condition to be read differently for each item (with the scale base value being total of all the items).
You can find some help in the below link:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2005/helpdata/en/de/7a8534c960a134e10000009b38f83b/frameset.htm
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39034     Group condition routine
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