Group Policy Guru? Group Policy and Windows 7 erratic and inconsistant.

(*If you don't feel like reading everything, skip to the bottom two paragraphs for my questions)
I've had a premier call open with MS since August. This week I had a Microsoft Technician in-house. Though we eliminated some possibilities, we're not really closer to a cause or solution.
Every time we work with an expert, I get a different explanation to describe the situation we are viewing.
Quick summery of the issue: We've been using Group Policy to manage most Windows XP and 7 settings for years, but starting the middle of last year, we began having clients with machines where some or all group policies would fail to apply.
These could be long assigned policies, new polices, or changes to policies. It would never affect everyone or even a majority at once, and the resolution is never the same. Sometimes a GPUDPATE /FORCE sometimes fixed automajically the next day,
sometimes (but very rarely) longer.
Troubleshooting History:
What we found in early troubleshooting, that these machines, had errors in Event Viewer for Netlogon, Time-Sync, and Group Policy. The other issue we noticed, was that our GPRESULT /H reports were missing security groups and the denied section was
nothing but SSID's. The first issue pointed me to:
Event ID 5719 and event ID 1129 may be logged when a non-Microsoft DHCP Relay Agent is used
I installed these Hot Fixes. No change to any of the errors in event viewer, or to our Group Policy problems.
Initial work with Premier Support found that Netlogon, Time-Sync, and Group Policy, were failing before loading of the network stack. The suggestion was to apply the group policy setting "Always wait for the network at computer startup and
logon". At the time, this seemed not to work. The policy was set on a test bed of laptops and desktops, and no changes in behavior were seen after 3 days.
Windows 7 Clients intermittently fail to apply group policy at startup
For some time after this, we were collecting GPSVC and NetTrace logs for Premeir Support, trying to document and troubleshoot the problem. Eventually we got fed up and asked our TAM to call in a pro to get this resolved. We were sent an engineer
for 3 days. For three days we banged away on this issue. We verified AD and replication health, we tried numerous fixes and workarounds. I learned 3 different desriptions of how Group Policy works, and in the end we thought we had a workaround
using the "Always wait for the network at computer startup and logon" because of a single success late in the day. On day 3 we tried replicating this fix, and quickly realized that the same issue we were having preventing other GPOs to apply,
were also preventing our "fix" GPO from applying. So we went the route of using a registry entry. I also had a problem that even though it was making the process more consistant, it was still taking 3 reboots for a Computer Policy, assigned
to a computer object via Security Group, to fully take affect on a computer.
I used the registry methods in the above article. It didn't work, no sign it was having the same affect the GPO had had.
Our support engineer claimed this was the proper method, but that path wasn't even close in a Windows 7 SP1 registry, and after creating all the keys that were not present, it still didn't work.
Always wait for the network at computer startup and logon - AzureWeb
We ran out of time, our engineer returned home.
I can understand how these errors indicate a problem applying Group Policy at boot. But to me it doesn't explain why it doesn't correct post boot, and after a GPUDPATE /FORCE and a reboot.
It also doesn't explain why we were working fine for years, then all of a sudden DHCP is being outrun by background services. (By the way logging showed DHCP wasn't significantly delayed, out boot process was actually excellent, health wise.)
Why all of a sudden is this not behaving optimly? No changes to network design or function. No changes to the domain since 2008 R2 was installed in 2011.
Today I'm reading through all these KB's and articles again, and took some time to read:
[Forum FAQ] Common steps to start troubleshooting Group Policy
application and it's links below.
We ran though all of that before and during the 3-day onsite. It's not getting us any closer to the cause or a solution.
I found and begin some deep reading in this link today. It has some additional information I will try to use next week:
Group Policy Basics - Part 3: How Clients Process GPOs
The one unanswered question I have is this. How is group policy supposed to apply to a computer, when that policy is applied to a AD Security Group, in which the computer object is a member?
Before we began having this problem, we would assign a computer GPO, then ask the user to reboot. If it were a user GPO, we'd ask the user to log off, or reboot. Either way, if we allowed a few minutes for AD and FRS replication, the user would
log back in with that new policy in affect. A new imaged machine would boot with all the GPO's linked to that domain and assigned to "Authenticated Users", already in affect. Admin groups would be present in administrators, proxy settings
would be set in Internet Explorer, etc.
Now I'm aked to beleive this was never the case from Premeier Support and Microsoft Engineers. That those policies require the equilent of a "GPUPDATE /FORCE" that was executed by the Local_System account. That 3 reboots may
be nessessary for a group policy to be applied. One for the AD Security Group to be applied. One for the Computer Policy to be applied. And a final one for the policy in the GPO to be applied to Windows.
Can someone confirm or correct this information please? It's imperitive to my troubleshootng.
There's no place like 127.0.0.1

That key is empty on all of my machines I have checked today. Working and problematic alike.
GPRESULT logs, when ran as me, historically would show the group polices applied, denied, and the AD group membership all by name. About 6 months ago I noticed this changed.
Now they show the applied GPO's by name, a few of the denied GPO's by name, most by SID, and only 2 to 3 AD groups, though PowerShell shows all the AD groups assigned. This happens after several AD security and distribution groups are added to the
machine (Radia software distribution uses Dist groups to assign software).
A check showed no groups with long legacy Kerberos keys.
When we make a change to AD Security Group membership, to assign or deny a Group Policy, is usually when we encounter this problem. It will usually fix itself in 24 hours of the machine being left up and running. But no amount of GPUPDATE /FORCE
and rebooting will cause the changes to take affect.
During this time, the Group Policies will show assigned to the computer in the GPRESULT log.
Yesterday I began looking into Spanning Tree configuration on our network being a possible cause for the boot up issues. I'm waiting on responses from our Network group to confirm our configuration.
There's no place like 127.0.0.1

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Upgraded to Acrobat Prp 9 and Windows 7, and I can't merge files anymore.

Hi, Upgraded to Acrobat Pro 9 and Windows 7, and I can't merge files anymore. Acrobat Pro tries to save each file individually before it tries to combine the files. I actually get an error message with PDF files that are in my list of files to merge. Please help!

Did you do the updates to Acrobat? Now at 9.5.5.

No connect between my iphone and itunes .. version is up to date and windows 7 and change between ports .....?

no connect between my iphone and itunes .. version is up to date and windows 7 and change between ports .....?

sorry but i need support from apple .................................

Can login to Xmarks on Mac, 10.6.4, no problem, but running parallels and windows XP and Firefox on that, I can't login to Xmarks since it won't accept my password, and I'm asking who to contact to fix this problem with Xmarks?

If the question had been asked before, I would have read the answer. Can you make this support any more useless?
I'm trying to run Firefox on a Mac with Parallels and Windows XP. I can use Firefox, that's fine, what I can't do is sync my bookmarks. They are all synced on both macs, and my old PC, a really slow Dell L110, thus trying to use Parellels. Is there any way to contact someone who can look at why my log in to Xmarks won't work on Parallels? Or if there is a support page somewhere where one can actually get some answers, please let me know. Thanks, Rob Rand

Same issue - however firefox will open but I can not click on only of my tool bar shortcuts - the writing on the google age is greyed out so I can not click on anything. Still no resolution? I have deleted the folders and re-installed - it will open and then locks and it will not work????

I have disabled all Kaspersky security, windows firewall and windows defender and Itunes still will not update my Ipod touch 4th gen to IOS 5, Helppppp!

I can't get the IOS 5 to work for windows Vista. I'm running kaspersky pure 2.0, windows firewall and windows defender. I have turned them all off, I then attach my Ipod 4th gen and I get the "cannot connect to itunes update server". I ran diagnostics in itunes and it tells me I dont have a internet connection. I'm on the internet right now, and I DO have a internet connection, but it tells me Itunes says otherwise. I'm able to send this message on the same pc with internet connection but keep running into this error. I have now read discussiong boards through apple and disabled all my firewalls, still no luck. I was able to update the lates version of itunes, and just waiting to get my ipod updated now, please help me.

On the computer you should be able to go to the network properites. Go to the TCP part and unchec the line that says obtaind DNS automatically and check the one that says use the following. Add the 8.8.8.8 and Google other 8.8.4.4.
For more info see:
https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/

Bootcamp and Windows 7 and 8 on the new Mac Pro (Dec 2013)

I want to install bootcamp on my new Mac Pro (Dec 2013).
Bootcamp says it supports Windows 7 and 8, but there is a bunch of new hardware with the new Mac Pro, so I am concerned about bootcamp support for it.
Are there any issues with Windows 7 Pro install? How about Windows 8 Pro?

From what I see, only Windows 8 is supported on the new Mac Pro (Late 2013) with Bootcamp.
See Boot Camp: System requirements for Microsoft Windows operating systems
Look under Boot Camp requirements by Mac model
Mac Pro
Mac model
Windows 8, 64-bit
Windows 7, 64-bit
Windows 7, 32-bit
Windows Vista, 64-bit
Windows Vista, 32-bit
Windows XP, 32-bit
Mac Pro (Late 2013)
BCA
"BCA" indicates that Boot Camp drivers are automatically downloaded as part of the Boot Camp Assistant in OS X, for 2013 or later models of Mac computers.

If apple app store has an app to sync windows phone with itunes called windows connector, and windows phone and apple are competitors, why doesnt apple make an app for android that syncs itunes without a third party software

I want to simply sync my android and my mac itunes without downloading any software. Windows phone has an app to do that even though apple and windows phone are competitors. Why does android not make an app or why doesnt apple create an software or something

Apple didn't create the Windows Phone app (Microsoft). Apple has nothing to do with this, and Google should do an app for this

Communication between Windows 7 and Windows 8(and above) using Sockets(TCP and UDP)

I need to use TCP and UDP using Sockets to communicate between two(or more) applications installed in Windows 7 and Windows 8.
Is it possible.? I tried within a LAN, but in vain. If needed I would post the appropriate code.
Note: I only tried running exe(s) in these machines and not with installation.

Hello Prabodh.Minz,
>>Is it possible.?
It is not clear what develop language you are using, here are examples which uses the C# based on .NET. It created the communition between two machines by using sockets with TCP protocol, a server and a client:
Synchronous example:
Client and
Server.
Asynchronous example:
Client and
Server.
Multi-client per one server - socket programming in .net(C#)
>>Note: I only tried running exe(s) in these machines and not with installation.
There are all .exe.
Regards.
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LSI HDA Modem and Windows Fax and Scan

Has anyone been able to send faxes with the above modem and Windows 7?
I keep getting a "fatal error" message.
Thanks,

Seems like the same problem - dials but can't ever connect. Same modem - G71 notebook.

EliteBook 8570p Fingerprint Sensor Issue and Windows 8 and 8.1 Built-In Biometric Framework

Hello there,
i'm currently testing the Preview Build of Windows 8.1 on my HP EliteBook 8570p and have a small Problem using the Fingerprint... but back to start...
In Windows 8 there wheren't any microsoft builtin biometric framework, to get the fingerprint there you have to install the hp security protect manager, and the validity Fingerprint Driver from here:
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=de&cc=de&prodTypeId=32...
the actual version that the site above state is this: 4.4.228.0 (31 Okt 2012)
the filename of the fingerprint driver should be this: sp59624.exe
exactly this is what i download, but then upon extracting and "older?" SP-Number appears? -> SP58152 ????
Driver should have Win8 support, but on installing it it just says it supports Win7 max... another hint that the driver packet is wrong packed...
this is the first thing what is very strange, even, the driver won't install automatically... just manuall, this is also a non WBF (Windows Biometric Framework) driver, so ne built-in fingerprint support of win 8.1 does not work.. indeed with the hp security manager... but when using the fingerprint login there i see just ugly Windows Vista branded Loginmasks... not a real choice..
after a bit of google seach i then found a new version of the validty fingerprint driver, but this is not listet in the 8570p Model download page... just found it with the help of google..
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownloadIndex?cc=de&lc=de&dlc=de&softwareitem=ob-109892-1
this one have a newer version: 4.4.234.0 (2012-09-07)
interessting thing about this... newer version, but older release date... ?!
and it is a WBF driver, voila, i thought...
installing the driver via the device manager (VFS451) and Windows 8.1 is able to scan fingers for login or credentials requests... works quite well... until first reboot... sadly after the first reboot, windows just continously means that a finger is getting swyped acrous the fingerprint reader, but it isn't...
after deinstalling the device, and reinstalling it (and driver) the fingerprint reader works again still the next reboot...
any help is appreciated and HP PLEASE do something about all the issues with the fingerprint readers even in Windows 8 (and/or correct the download)

Hello DaStivi,
Your EliteBook is a Business model. Your issue would be best answered on the HP Enterprise Business Community Forum
Good luck!
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PSUS4 and Windows 7 and Windows XP and Windows Server 2003

I have a small domain network with Windows Server 2003 , Windows 7 desktop, Windows XP desktop. I have an HP LaserJet P3005 printer. I need to be able to print to the HP printer from all of the computers (server, Win 7 and win XP). I have a PSUS4 print server. Is there a way to setup the PSUS4 so that my server, Win 7 and Win XP computers could print to the HP printer? For example, If I setup the Print Server on the XP computer with TCP/IP port, could I share it to the server and Windows 7 computers?

Do you have any router or switch?
Or all the computers are connected to windows server through a switch?
PSUS4 must be connected to the router or the DHCP server so that it will get IP address and all the computers will be able to print.

Downloaded latest Itunes and Windows Update and everything fell apart

Okay, I dl'd the latest Itunes and Windows Update today and turned off my computer. When I came back and turned it on, it became really slow and the style for all the "windows headings" turned "gray classic theme." I tried running Itunes and a box comes up saying that I "Do not have access to change the Catalyst Control," my ATI driver I think (x1300). Then it says that I can't run Itunes because the audio is configured wrong. I go to my Audio settings in the "control panel" and everything is grayed out except the hardware choices. I clicked on their properties (SigmaTel Audio), but nothing would come up for 45 minutes. I am barely running in VGA mode and cannot access the internet connections in IE, thus barring me from Microsoft's updates. Sorry if it's hard to understand, but I'm ****** because I can't listen to all the new stuff I bought on Itunes yesterday Does anyone have any clues or ideas?

Take a look at this link, http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1369

Trackpad playing up and windows open and close with out me doing any thing

Hey since updating to OS X Mountain Lion 10.8.5
my Mac has been playing up. I can't really control the mouse anymore
it basically goes where it wants to go. Also my Mac started to open and close Windows on its one,
switching back and forth between sides, as well as opening mission control and other things.
It is impossible for me to use my Mac at the moment :
Would be grateful for any tips on how to fix it !!!
Thanx

Try the troubleshooting help here > Portables and Magic Trackpad: Jumpy or erratic trackpad operation

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