Groups within groups broken in Mavericks Mail?

In Mavericks 10.9, it appears there's a problem if a Contacts group contains other Contacts groups.
Example:
Within Contacts, create Small Group with three contacts.
Within Contacts, create Big Group with six contacts.
Within Contacts, create Huge Group.
Drag Small Group and Big Group to Huge Group.
In Contacts, click on Huge Group. It appears to contain Small Group and Big Group.
Click on either Small Group or Big Group and Contacts reports "No Cards".
Open Mail.
Make a New Message.
In the To: field type "Huge Group".
No addresses appear.
In Contacts, a control-click on Huge Group shows a pop-up menu with command Send Email to "Huge Group" dimmed.
Is this happening to others?
mm

What does it say in the "charset=" header
charset="iso-8859-1"
But another mail has nothing there, only "Content-Type: text/html";
The important thing is not whether this charset is correct or not. The important thing is that Apple has made my mail experience worse by this "upgrade", for no good reason!
Earlier, I could change encoding of mails (perhaps a badly encoded mail), but Apple has taken away that posibility for no good reason. It only affects old mails, before UTF became common. It is typical of Apple not to care about history, but for me, old mails constitute valuable history.
Rather than taking away an option to change the encoding (or interpretation of an encoding) of a mail, I think Apple should have enhanced the feature: Sometimes, it happens that only the subject line is erronously interpretated (mime endoding of non-us-ascii characters), and I would like to fix that. It has never been possible. (This problem can even happen today with some new mails auto-generated by machines, such as auto-replies.)

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