GT80: 8 Go RAM and GTX 970M vs. 16 Go RAM and GTX 980M

Hello.
I'm thinking about buying a MSI laptop.
I'm hesitating between these two:
MSI-GT80-2QD-046FR-Titan-SLI-18-4-Core-i7-4720HQ-Windows-8-1-8-Go-RAM-128-Go-SSD-1-To-HDD/w-4#bl=HGBPlsi4
MSI-GT80-2QE-045FR-TITAN-SLI-18-4-Core-i7-4720HQ-Windows-8-1-16-Go-RAM-128-Go-SSD-1-To-HDD/w-4#bl=HGBPlsi1
They are both GT80. They both have a screen of 18.4", a core i7 4720HQ and 128 Go SSD + 1 To HDD.
As far as I can tell, the only differences are:
- The first one has a RAM of 8 Go, a graphics card of "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970M - 6 Go GDDR5 SDRAM", and a price of €2286 = $2560 (it's cheaper by €588 = $659)
- The second one has a RAM of 16 Go, a graphics card of "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M - 8 Go GDDR5 SDRAM", and a price of €2874 = $3219 (it's more expansive by €588 = $659)
And so my question is: Which one should I buy? The first one or the second one?
If you need to know some context and what I'm going to use this PC for:
I'm going to use this PC many many hours per day, maybe up to 14 hours per day when I'm on vacation.
I won't play any video games on it. But I will play a lot of chess (and some backgammon), and use powerful chess softwares for analyzing games.
I also often make some programs on MatLab and SharpDevelop.
Also an important note: I always have a few hundred tabs (sometimes even a thousand) constantly opened at the same time on Firefox (which makes it freeze and crash a lot). And many of those tabs are Youtube videos.
Thanks in advance for your answers.

Yes, it's obvious that the second one is better in terms of quality, but is it worth the price?
The question is: are the extra 8 Go of RAM and the slightly better graphics card worth the extra €588 = $659 ?
Will the extra RAM benefit me? With 16 Go of RAM, will my Firefox be able to handle hundred of tabs more easily and more solidly and crash less often? Will the chess softwares that I use also benefit from the extra RAM? etc
Note that on the computer that I currently use (it has 16 Go of RAM, a core i7-4800MQ and a Nvidia GeForce GTX 870M), in the "Task Manager" the "Memory" is frequently around 40% to 50% (half of which is due to Firefox and the other half to my main chess software), and the "CPU" goes up to 99% when I turn my chess software on.

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Reinstall the original memory and see whether there's any improvement. Be careful not to touch the gold contacts on the memory modules when handling them. If necessary, clean them with a mild solvent such as rubbing alcohol.
The Apple Hardware Test, though generally unreliable, will sometimes detect a fault. A negative test can't be depended on. Run the extended version of the test.

Should I buy a macbook air wid i7 and 8gb ram or macbook pro with 2.4ghz i5 and 8gb ram

Hii.i am planning 2 buy a macbook and i am confused between pro and air so should I buy a macbook air wid i7 and 8gb ram or macbook pro with 2.4ghz i5 and 8gb ram..I want it to be fast and my use is onli web surfing , word & excel, watching movies and loading photos....plss help its urgent

I have a 2 year old Air with 1.8 GHz i5 4 GB that is more than adequate and extremely fast for the uses you describe.
Is battery life a factor in your decision? If so, knowing that may help someone else give you some more input.

Is the base modeal 15" mbp (4gb ram w/ 750gb@5400rpm) enough to run traktor and ableton without fail?

i just need to know if i can get away with buying the base 15" mbp with the 4gb ram 750gb@5400rpm hdd to sufficiantly run traktor and ableton without fail. all comments needed, very close to just saying screw it and just buying one! getting tired of waiting! thank you l;D

You could do it yourself according to this: http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/MacBook_Pro_17inch_Mid2010_Hard_Drive_DIY.pd f
I'm sure the difference in size doesn't make a difference to the replacement.
Here's how to add RAM without affecting AppleCare:
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1270#link3

HT3918 I upgraded to 16 mb of ram and after 10 minutes my computer freezes, and ideas?

I upgraded to 16 mb of ram and after 10 minutes my computer freezes, and ideas? I have an imac mid 2011 21 inch.

Cause and effect points to out-of-spec memory.
Run Apple Hardware Test. Run the extended tests.
Using Apple Hardware Test
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1509
If it fails the memory tests, remove the memory and re-seat it. The sockets are very "tight". Run AHT again.
If it still fails, replace your original memory. If it works, you found the problem. Buy Mac memory from Crucial or OWC / MacSales.

I want to upgrade my ram macbook pro 15'' without retina to 16gb and want more than 1600 hz

I have a Mac book Pro 15 inch without retina I wish to upgrade the RAM 4 GB to 16GB and I want to putting a ram with more speed then 1600 GHz can someone please tell me what is the maximum and if possible where can I buy it from it has to be compatible with my mac or else it's pointless.
Regards Axl

Sorry, read the post as with retina.
Standard RAM:
4 GB
Maximum RAM:
16 GB*
Details:
4 GB of RAM is installed as two 2 GB modules, no slots free. *Apple officially supports a maximum of 8 GB of RAM, but third-parties have determined that this model actually is capable of using up to 16 GB of RAM with two 8 GB memory modules. In the US (and many other countries), site sponsor Other World Computing sells memory -- as well as other upgrades -- for this MacBook Pro.
http://www.everymac.com
The link you posted is compatible RAM and from a reputable company. I bought my 2 X 8 GB modules from crucial when I upgraded my MBP RAM to 16 GB.
Go with that kit.
Note that DDR3 1600 MHz RAM is the only type of RAM your machine takes.
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I own a MacBook Pro 15-inch early 2011 and I want to upgrade the ram to 16 or 8gb is it ok to use a corsair brand memory?

I own a MacBook Pro 15-inch early 2011 and I want to upgrade the ram to 16 or 8gb is it ok to use a corsair brand memory?

Welcome to Apple Support Communities
Of course. Corsair RAM is compatible with your Mac and the Early 2011 MacBook Pro supports 16 GB of memory. Make sure you buy the correct memory for your MacBook Pro. See > http://www.corsair.com/us/memory-by-product-family/mac-memory-upgrades.html

I have a Apple MacBook Pro "Core i7" 2.8 13" Late 2011. i want to upgrade its RAM from 4GB to 16GB. But OWC sells two kinds of RAM, the DDR3 and the DDR3L.What is the different and which one would work better for my mac. Thanks!!!

Please help! I have a Apple MacBook Pro "Core i7" 2.8 13" Late 2011. i want to upgrade its RAM from 4GB to 16GB. But OWC sells two kinds of RAM, the DDR3 and the DDR3L.What is the different and which one would work better for my mac. Thanks!!!

I don't see any DDR3L on the page for the RAM that would fit your model -> http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/Apple_MacBook_MacBook_Pro/Upgrade/DDR3_133 3MHz_SDRAM.
But the answer is that it doesn't really matter - just make certain to get 1333MHz.
Good luck,
Clinton
MacBook Pro (15-inch Late 2011), OS X 10.??, 16GB Crucial RAM, Crucial M500 960GB SSD, 27” Apple Thunderbolt Display

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